all I can say at this point is that I think Lukipela hit it on the head.

Basically, accolade may be the meanest company in the world for not releasing a game, but it IS theirs.  Period.

I agree with you that the public benefits from Open-Source software.  (I mean, just look at the board we're discussing this on!)

HOWEVER, it is Accolade's decision whether or not to do so.  If you view them not realising it as "wrong" somehow, fine.  Just remember that two wrongs don't make a right.

Now, please understand.  I did not say illegal means wrong.  The two, while they do overlap quite a bit, are not identical.

That said, I have said that theft, under any name, IS wrong.  I say this for many reasons.  

1) Every major religion in the world, and a whole lot of the minor ones, say that theft is wrong.  To me, that says something about theft...

2) My parents taught me that it is wrong to steal.  That may sound silly to you, but such lessons are important.

3) It is taking something that belongs to someone else.  You are, by that action, harming the other entity.  That is an immoral thing to do.

Now, as to the "etenral copyright" bit:  When you have changed the copyright law get back to me.  Until then, no matter how much time has passed, software piracy is stealing.

Your illogic astounds me, DEFIANT.  Yes, I too would wish to not have people steal things from me.  That has absolutely nothing to do with why Kazza exists.

Accolade did not create Kazza.

Accolade did not put the game on Kazza.  Pirates did.

Also, I have every right to "point fingers" and tell you that you are stealing.  Yes, it is your choice.  However, the consequences of your actions affect not only you, but also the gaming industry and therefore me, albiet indirectly.  I see your viewpoint;  I am just telling you that hey, you are stealing, and it is wrong.  I certainly can't stop you from doing it, but I can tell you it is wrong.  You're getting far too upset about this.

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I'm sorry I am being so confrontational about this.  I prefer to try and discuss things rationally.  But when you come onto this board and say, "screw you accolade and if you disagree with me screw you" reasoned discussion is difficult.  I would like to ask, as respectfully as I can, that you calm down about the whole matter.

to answer your question, my belief that stealing is wrong is based on both my belief in God and my parents' teaching.  Why do you ask?

I do not rely on illegal ALWAYS meaning wrong, however in the case of theft I think illegal does mean it is wrong.

Also, how do intellectual property grants "distort capitalism?"  If someone comes up with an idea then they should be able to reap the benefits of that idea.

you know something, DEFIANT?  I am taking a stand.  Right here, right now.

Accolade owns the legal rights to the name Star Control 2.  Period.  This is a fact, indisputable.  They have not sold them to anyone.

It is up to Accolade what to do with what they own.  Just as it is up to, say, a  stamp collecter to do whatever he wishes with the stamps he buys, Accolade may do anything it wants with the games it buys.  The fact that our friend the stamp collecter does not put his stamps on the market does not give you the right to steal them from him.

Accolade has NOT thrown away the copyright to the game.  They still own it.  It is not in their trash can, it is in their attic.  If there is no way to acquire it from Accolade then there is NO legal way to acquire it.  Period.

I'm sorry you have to pay so much for gas, but the price is not stealing.  It may be monopolizing or some other sin, but it is NOT stealing.  Also, You cannot compare stealing to feed your family to stealing a game.  The game is not necessary for your survival.  You keep piling up the fallacies in your point of view.  The real world must not be very tough for you if you have the spare cash to buy a game, not to mention the computer to play it on and the internet access to scream about your "right" to steal.  There are people who have nothing.  Nothing.  Consider how blessed you are that you have anything at all.

LordJim - you are correct that some people will buy the game after they try it.  However, they still stole it.  Nothing can erase that.  It is wrong and an evil act.  

illegal or not if there is way to screw accolade i will.

There is exactly one legal and moral way to "screw" accolade: not buying their products.

its not like there going to release it as abandon ware or ill find it in the $10 dollar basket at a local fred myers.

No, they do not plan to release it as abandonware.  You might find it used somewhere, but this is not the point.  The point is that, like it or not, accolade own SC2 rights.

come to my house and try to sue me. you think there going to persue you and a small time download you did over the net. if they did what a sad country we live in. all hail the corparate usa. bah. they've got bigger fish to fry then some kid trying to relive past glory.

Software piracy is harming the entire gaming industry.  Even if they don't sue you, it is still wrong.

im not making money off it so in my mind its ok. sorry goes out to the fred and starcontrol team of long ago, but when theres a will there is a way~DEFIANT

And here is the biggest fallacy of them all.  No, you are not making money off of the game.  But, neither is accolade.  If you did the exact same thing at a grocery store, and tried to apply the same justification, you would see how illogical that argument is.  If you steal food from a store and eat it, what has happened?  You have not made money off of the food, but that does not make it right.  You stole.  Period.

Also, I don't think you can technically get the DOS version for free... although I really don't know exactly what TFB released as open source, I may be wrong about this...

Striker keeps UNOFFICIAL builds on his website:

http://www.4u-servers.co.uk/~striker/

Um, actually Guesst I have found many many triangles of stars...

I also think (but am not positive) I have found stars with 5 destinations...

I seem to recall being a hint somewhere that the Syreen may have been transplanted Earthlings... (or maybe I'm watching too much Stargate... whatever.)  If this is true the Syreen might be the control group in whatever experimenth te Arilou are conducting.

Does anyone here know where I might get my hands on this "Archon" that people speak of?  And yes, I would be willing to pay...

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566 posts!  when did you get so high Lukipela?

HOW do you find so much to SAY?

1) I post when I have something to say.

2) Best moment would have to be reshaping the Thraddash culture... "I have it!  Culture 20!"

3) Lord of the Rings trilogy

4) Roleplaying Games!

5) Computer programmer and/or lawyer

6) I was born with black hair.  Then it all fell out and grew back in platinum blond.  It has slowly darkened all my life.

7) fnord.

No, two evils do not create a good.  But it can prevent a greater evil.

I also strongly discourage an individual soldier form taking a "shoot first ask later" approach.  I'm aware that our country doesn't have the purest motives here.  Btw, which war are you talking about "back in the day"?

I was not trying to imply that you personally are whining.  Indeed, you, Lukipela, and Death_999 are some of the most reasonable people I know regarding this war.  Just kinda ranting in general, no protest here at my college (over ANY topic) recently has been intelligent at all...