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Topic: Every ship (cyborg) ranked in super melee (Read 127546 times)
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Grand Master Planet Eater
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After conducting simulations of every possible match-up in super melee, in all cases with 2 teams of 14 ships each, both on the "Awesome Cyborg" setting, I have amassed the following statistics.
I consider a match to be "roughly even" if one side wins with 2 or fewer ships surviving, anything more and it's a team victory
A "clean sweep" means that one side defeated the other without losing a single ship
Ships get 1 point per victory, and half a point for a tie.
Ranking, from the lowest to highest:
#20. Thraddash and Zoq-Fot-Piq, tied with 1.5 points each.
Thraddash record:
Strong against:
Roughly even against: Shofixti, Supox, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Weak against: Androsynth, Arilou (clean sweep), Chenjesu, Chmmr (clean sweep), Druuge, Earthling, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Pkunk, Slylandro, Spathi, Syreen, Umgah, Ur-Quan, Utwig, VUX, Yehat
Zoq-Fot-Piq record:
Strong against:
Roughly even against: Shofixti, Thraddash, Umgah
Weak against: Androsynth, Arilou, Chenjesu, Chmmr (clean sweep), Druuge, Earthling, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Pkunk, Slylandro, Spathi, Supox, Syreen (clean sweep, maxed out on crew), Ur-Quan (clean sweep), Utwig (clean sweep), VUX, Yehat (clean sweep)
Notes: It's interesting that, going by human play, the Thraddash is generally considered the best ship, IIRC, but here, it's tied for worst. Both of the ships here did not score a single team victory against any other team.
#19. Shofixti, with 3 points
Shofixti record:
Strong against:
Roughly even against: Arilou, Ilwrath, Supox, Thraddash, Umgah, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Weak against: Androsynth, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Druuge, Earthling, Kohr-Ah, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Pkunk, Slylandro, Spathi, Syreen, Ur-Quan, Utwig, VUX, Yehat
Notes: Considering their tendency to blow themselves up at the earliest opportunity, it makes sense they were another ship that scored no team victories, and could only tie against ships with too few hitpoints to survive a Glory Device, and insufficient weapons to shoot the Scout down before it gets in range.
#18. Umgah, with 4 points
Umgah record:
Strong against: Arilou, Thraddash, VUX
Roughly even against: Shofixti, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Weak against: Androsynth, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Druuge, Earthling, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Pkunk, Slylandro, Spathi (clean sweep), Supox, Syreen, Ur-Quan, Utwig, Yehat
Notes: The lowest ranked ship to actually score victories, albeit only 3. They're annoying, but not very strong.
#17. Supox, with 4.5 points
Supox record:
Strong against: Earthling, Umgah, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Pkunk, Shofixti, Thraddash
Weak against: Androsynth, Arilou, Chenjesu, Chmmr (clean sweep, no damage), Druuge, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Slylandro, Spathi, Syreen (clean sweep, maxed out on crew), Ur-Quan, Utwig, VUX, Yehat (clean sweep)
Notes:
Supox vs. Chmmr has to be the single most unbalanced matchup - it seems impossible for the Supox to win, or even deal any damage, unless the Chmmr crashes into the planet.
#16. Earthling, with 6 points
Earthling record:
Strong against: Druuge, Shofixti, Thraddash, Umgah, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Arilou, VUX
Weak against: Androsynth, Chenjesu, Chmmr (clean sweep), Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah (clean sweep), Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Pkunk, Slylandro, Spathi, Supox, Syreen, Ur-Quan, Utwig (clean sweep), Yehat
Notes: You'd expect it to be better, but it's not
#15. Druuge, with 8.5 points
Druuge record:
Strong against: Androsynth, Shofixti, Supox, Syreen, Thraddash, Umgah, VUX, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Mmrnmhrmm
Weak against: Arilou, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Earthling, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Melnorme, Mycon (clean sweep), Orz, Pkunk, Slylandro, Spathi, Ur-Quan, Utwig, Yehat
Notes: The Druuge can take out some stronger ships like the Chmmr sometimes, but it loses against them more often than not.
#14. Melnorme, with 9.5 points
Melnorme record:
Strong against: Druuge, Earthling, Pkunk, Shofixti, Supox, Thraddash, Umgah, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Spathi, Syreen, Utwig
Weak against: Androsynth, Arilou, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Slylandro, Ur-Quan, VUX, Yehat
Notes: The Melnorme is annoying and tricky, but not all that powerful. It's notable for tying against the Utwig, mainly due to its special weapon
#13. Mycon and Syreen, tied with 10.5 points each
Mycon record:
Strong against: Druuge (clean sweep), Earthling, Melnorme, Shofixti, Spathi, Supox, Thraddash, Umgah, VUX, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Mmrnmhrmm
Weak against: Androsynth, Arilou, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Orz, Pkunk, Slylandro, Syreen, Ur-Quan, Utwig (clean sweep, no damage), Yehat
Syreen record:
Strong against: Earthling, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Pkunk (clean sweep, ended up with more crew than it started with), Shofixti, Spathi (clean sweep, ended up with more crew than it started with), Supox (clean sweep, maxed out on crew), Thraddash, Umgah, Zoq-Fot-Piq (clean sweep, maxed out on crew)
Roughly even against: Melnorme
Weak against: Androsynth, Arilou, Chenjesu, Chmmr (clean sweep), Druuge, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Orz, Slylandro, Ur-Quan (clean sweep), Utwig, VUX, Yehat (clean sweep)
Notes: It's interesting that these two are tied, since they have a big battle against each other in canon. Of course, the Syreen beats the Mycon in a direct fight. The Syreen's ability to steal crew also allowed it to achieve several clean sweeps, even ending up with more crew than it started or maxing out its crew by the end of some battles.
#12. Pkunk and VUX, tied with 11 points each
Pkunk record:
Strong against: Druuge, Earthling, Ilwrath, Mycon, Shofixti, Spathi, Thraddash, Umgah, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Androsynth, Kohr-Ah, Orz, Supox
Weak against: Arilou, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Slylandro, Syreen (clean sweep, ended up with more crew than it started with), Ur-Quan, Utwig, VUX, Yehat
VUX record:
Strong against: Arilou, Ilwrath, Melnorme, Pkunk, Shofixti, Slylandro, Supox, Syreen, Thraddash, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Androsynth, Earthling
Weak against: Chenjesu, Chmmr, Druuge, Kohr-Ah, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Spathi, Umgah, Ur-Quan, Yehat
Notes: Props to the Pkunk for tying with the Kohr-Ah. A lot of their better results were due to the luck of their resurrection ability, though. Also, the Pkunk beat the Ilwrath, so it makes you wonder why they were losing against them in canon...
#11. Spathi, with 11.5 points
Spathi record:
Strong against: Druuge, Earthling, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Mmrnmhrmm, Shofixti, Supox, Thraddash, Umgah (clean sweep), VUX, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Melnorme
Weak against: Androsynth, Arilou, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Mycon, Orz, Pkunk, Slylandro, Syreen (clean sweep, ended up with more crew than it started with), Ur-Quan, Utwig, Yehat
Notes: Major upset with beating the Kohr-Ah.
#10. Arilou and Mmrnmhrmm, tied with 12.5 points each
Arilou record:
Strong against: Druuge, Ilwrath, Melnorme, Mycon, Orz, Pkunk, Spathi, Supox, Syreen, Thraddash (clean sweep), Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Earthling, Shofixti, Slylandro
Weak against: Androsynth, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Kohr-Ah, Mmrnmhrmm, Umgah, Ur-Quan, Utwig, VUX, Yehat
Mmrnmhrmm record:
Strong against: Arilou, Earthling, Melnorme, Pkunk, Shofixti, Slylandro, Supox, Thraddash, Umgah, VUX, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Druuge, Ilwrath, Mycon
Weak against: Androsynth, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Kohr-Ah, Orz, Spathi, Syreen, Ur-Quan, Utwig, Yehat
Notes: Even though the Mmrnmhrmm seems a lot more powerful, and wins in a direct confrontation, apparently the Arilou is just as effective, overall.
#9. Ilwrath, with 13 points
Ilwrath record:
Strong against: Druuge, Earthling, Melnorme, Mycon, Orz, Supox, Syreen, Thraddash, Umgah, Yehat, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Androsynth, Chenjesu, Mmrnmhrmm, Shofixti
Weak against: Arilou, Chmmr, Kohr-Ah, Pkunk, Slylandro, Spathi, Ur-Quan, Utwig, VUX
Notes: You'd think the Ilwrath would be stronger against enemies with homing weapons due to its cloak, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Also, they easily dominate the Thraddash, so I don't see how it was a tie in canon.
#8. Orz, with 15 points
Orz record:
Strong against: Druuge, Earthling, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Shofixti, Spathi, Supox, Syreen, Thraddash, Umgah, VUX, Yehat, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Pkunk, Slylandro
Weak against: Androsynth, Arilou, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Ur-Quan, Utwig (clean sweep)
Notes: Their opposite results against the Yehat and Utwig are interesting
#7. Androsynth, with 15.5 points
Androsynth record:
Strong against: Arilou, Earthling, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Shofixti, Spathi, Supox, Syreen, Thraddash, Umgah, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Chenjesu, Ilwrath, Pkunk, Utwig, VUX
Weak against: Chmmr, Druuge, Kohr-Ah, Slylandro, Ur-Quan, Yehat
Notes: It's able to break even with the supposedly much more powerful Chenjesu and Utwig, which is impressive
#6. Slylandro, with 16 points
Slylandro record:
Strong against: Androsynth, Druuge, Earthling, Ilwrath, Melnorme, Mycon, Pkunk, Shofixti, Spathi, Supox, Syreen, Thraddash, Umgah, Yehat, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Arilou, Orz
Weak against: Chenjesu, Chmmr (clean sweep), Kohr-Ah, Mmrnmhrmm, Ur-Quan, Utwig, VUX
Notes: I'm glad the probe AI was nerfed in the main game...
#5. Chenjesu and Yehat, with 18.5 points each
Chenjesu record:
Strong against: Arilou, Druuge, Earthling, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Pkunk, Shofixti, Slylandro, Spathi, Supox, Syreen, Thraddash, Umgah, VUX, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Androsynth, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah
Weak against: Chmmr, Ur-Quan, Utwig, Yehat
Yehat record:
Strong against: Androsynth, Arilou, Chenjesu, Druuge, Earthling, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Pkunk, Shofixti, Spathi, Supox (clean sweep), Syreen (clean sweep), Thraddash, Umgah, Ur-Quan, VUX, Zoq-Fot-Piq (clean sweep)
Roughly even against: Utwig
Weak against: Chmmr, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Orz, Slylandro
Notes: The Chenjesu is usually thought of as the powerhouse of the Alliance in the first game, but it seems the Yehat could equally apply for that title. Tying with the Utwig is a nice achievement.
#4. Kohr-Ah, with 19.5 points
Kohr-Ah record:
Strong against: Androsynth, Arilou, Druuge, Earthling (clean sweep), Ilwrath, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Shofixti, Slylandro, Supox, Syreen, Thraddash, Umgah, VUX, Yehat, Zoq-Fot-Piq
Roughly even against: Chenjesu, Pkunk, Ur-Quan
Weak against: Chmmr, Spathi, Utwig
Notes: For being the game's main villains, you'd figure they would be a bit stronger... still, they are one of the top most effective ships.
#3. Ur-Quan, with 20.5 points
Ur-Quan record:
Strong against: Androsynth, Arilou, Chenjesu, Druuge, Earthling, Ilwrath, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Pkunk, Shofixti, Slylandro, Spathi, Supox, Syreen (clean sweep), Thraddash, Umgah, VUX, Zoq-Fot-Piq (clean sweep)
Roughly even against: Kohr-Ah
Weak against: Chmmr, Utwig, Yehat
Notes: Even though they're even in a direct matchup with the Kohr-Ah, they're apparently a slightly better design overall.
#2. Utwig, with 22.5 points
Utwig record:
Strong against: Arilou, Chenjesu, Chmmr, Druuge, Earthling (clean sweep), Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon (clean sweep, no damage), Orz (clean sweep), Pkunk, Shofixti, Slylandro, Spathi, Supox, Syreen, Thraddash, Umgah, Ur-Quan, VUX, Zoq-Fot-Piq (clean sweep)
Roughly even against: Androsynth, Melnorme, Yehat
Weak against:
Notes: The only ship to beat the Chmmr in a straight-up fight, and the only ship not to lose any matches. Pretty amazing that a ship from a race like this can beat both types of Ur-Quan ships, too.
#1. Chmmr, with 23 points
Chmmr record:
Strong Against: Androsynth, Arilou, Chenjesu, Druuge, Earthling (clean sweep), Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah, Melnorme, Mmrnmhrmm, Mycon, Orz, Pkunk, Shofixti, Slylandro (clean sweep), Spathi, Supox (clean sweep, no damage), Syreen (clean sweep), Thraddash (clean sweep), Umgah, Ur-Quan, VUX, Yehat, Zoq-Fot-Piq (clean sweep)
Roughly even against:
Weak against: Utwig
Notes: Beats everything except the Utwig. The Chmmr did say that their ship can beat any other ship in space, except they underestimated the gloomy mask-wearers. Also, they have 6 clean sweeps, 2 more than any other ship.
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Alvarin
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Full team of 14 means severely disparate teams point values Perhaps better analysis would be of best matched points for the teams, utilizing the 14 slots to account for not quite divisible values.
Also, how many repetitions of the team match-ups? I guess single 14x14 for each match?
In any case, great job collecting and analyzing! Must have taken about 30 hours to complete...
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> Also, they easily dominate the Thraddash, so I don't see how it was a tie in canon.
canon Torches are not flown by Awesome cyborg. Though I do not expect Thraddash to fly like humans, I think they wouldn't do as badly as the Awesome cyborg
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> Also, the Pkunk beat the Ilwrath, so it makes you wonder why they were losing against them in canon...
Battles might not be 1-on-1, which would severely favor the Ilwrath.
Speaking of Pkunk,
> A lot of their better results were due to the luck of their resurrection ability, though
You could count the resurrections and prorate the opposing ships to enforce an average of 1.
> For being the game's main villains, you'd figure they would be a bit stronger.
The Awesome cyborg didn't know how to fly them most effectively. Some ships came out of this better than others. Kohr-Ah and Thraddash came out particularly badly.
On the other hand, the Utwig and Yehat benefitted from the Awesome cyborg's strengths.
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