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Re: Whats the deal with the Androsynth?(spoilers)
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2003, 12:47:25 am »

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Perhaps the *nngn* spread throughout Androsinth space killing all of the androsinth who where in ships and mistook the Tobermoon for a Androsinth ship.

I've never thought of Nngn as dangerous to humans (Arilou practice a catch and release game with them, which they wouldn't do with something dangerous to us).

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And why does everyone think the Orz are responsible for this? The ghost / energy thing the scientest guy encounters down on the Androsinth planet seems to me to be nothing like the Orz...


You cannot *slide* like Orz from *outside* to *inside* and *in between*.
It is sad, but Orz can *pull* the *campers* after being *connected*.
This is soon.
Orz are trying to *pull* the Androsynth, but they are so *silly*, they do not want.
Arilou can *slide*. Also Taalo. Many can *slide*, but Orz are better of course.

*Pulling* is refered to in the middle of a paragraph involving *sliding* to other *levels*, I believe it is forced interdimensional travel.  Something *pulling* me from *outside* would seem fairly ghostlike and freaky to me.  What I'm concerned about is the following statement:


Ahaa! I am told other Orz *cousins* you are *connected* for *camping*.
I am so right!
It is happiest days not to care about Androsynth anything.
So now we can be *together* for friendly *dessert*.
I am so right. I will tell them again.


So, we're *connected*, we can be *pulled* even if we do not want.

Also, like I mentioned above, the invisible attackers might be another *body-part* of Orz, maybe even one that it can't control.

And finally from Chat log from #StarControl with the Creators (Fred Ford and Paul Reiche III) on  the 17th of October 1998:

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<LordR-man> Fwiffo- What really happened to the Androsynth in sc2?
<Fwiffo> In regards to the Androsynth: They were snagged by the entity who/which projected its fingers into our dimension (which looked to us as the Orz.)


I'd say if TFB thinks it's the Orz: End of Debate.
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Re: Whats the deal with the Androsynth?(spoilers)
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2003, 02:08:38 am »

Is <LordR-man> Fred Ford or Paul Reiche III? Ahh well I like the Orz alot. Say I know: perhaps the Androsinth deserved it!
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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2003, 12:49:16 pm »

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Is <LordR-man> Fred Ford or Paul Reiche III? Ahh well I like the Orz alot. Say I know: perhaps the Androsinth deserved it!
In this chat, "Fwiffo" was Paul and Fred.
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Re: Whats the deal with the Androsynth?(spoilers)
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2003, 09:55:09 pm »

Another thought about the Orz just occured to me:

What if the ORZ is like an interdimensional jellyfish?
Part of the jellyfish crossing our dimension seem to us like the described 3-d-slice *bubbles* , which appear to us as a "single" Orz.

A jellyfish is not able to control what its' tentacles are doing. The tentacles just try to kill prey whenever they touch it (getting *connected*) and *squeeze* (digest?) the *juice* (energy?) out of the prey (*ngnn*?)  to enjoy the *sauce* (food?). Maybe the Androsynth just touched the Orz-tentacles with their IDF-research, whilst normally the tentacles would stay in their "own" dimension. (Like the Androsynth swimming too deep.)

Getting *pulled* might mean, that the Orz is able to make his tentacles go where he wants them to go, even if he cannot make the tentacles leave places where he does not want them to be (like the jellyfish making his swimming movements, he can make the tentacles come towards his umbrella (is this the right english word?) upwards, but he cannot make them drift away from his body).

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« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2003, 01:14:29 pm »

Probably the best euphamism I've ever heard.
As to what TFB said on IRC, that can be subjective. After all, it only "looked to us as the Orz". Are the Orz directly linked to the fingers? Are they colonizers like the Mmrnhrmm? (damnit, I can never spell that right)

Those fish-faces still creep me out. It's not like after playing enough times you start to understand them, or the fact that they seem too happy. I just.. get creeped out. Lips Sealed
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« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2003, 10:44:09 pm »

Orz Brain: consider this a cybernetic punch to the balls. The Androsynth didn't deserve to be *pulled* by the Orz. Nothing deserves that! (Well, maybe the Druuge...)

Think: You've been a slave for nearly 50 years. Your kind, with the assistance of some very nice humans (which I'm sure the collective Androsynth race would never forget) escape to the stars, find the Vulpeculae constallation and make your home. About 10 years later, you get jumped by these big, ugly green caterpillars and get thwomped into submission again. Ugh. Life goes on as a slave...again. Then, after about another 5 years, just as DF is discovered, you get assailed for the third time, and taken away AGAIN!

Lots of interesting concepts about this. As for the Tobermoon buisness, Jiffa, you're partially mistaken about the Marines. They burn holes into the hull, hop in and do their dirty work, so you would've noticed holes in the hull of the Tobermoon. True, however, that they don't leave bodies lying around, as is proven in SC3. But why would the Orz jump the Supox? They're not researching anything that the Utwig aren't. (I suppose if the Orz attacked the Utwig they'd get their collective asses blown back to primordial soup, but hey.)

Personally, I think the Orz are indeed the ethereal creatures that attacked Buwolski. As I mentioned in the hijacked "portals" thread, the Orz are sticking their proverbial heads through the DF portal, and soon they'll be all the way out. If the Tobermoon were indeed attacked by the Orz, they must've materialized inside the ship, which would lead me to believe that they could then phase in/out at will. Yeeep.

More later, I've got class.
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« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2003, 01:08:36 am »

Just a thought which has a connection to sc3 but to yell on me again! Orz say you can't kill them. They cannot be dead. The herald say they are dead, walking dead. do 2+2 and what you get... The orz are the eternal ones spys!
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« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2003, 01:49:45 am »

I think the Heralds call themselves 'the damned' because they've got no life left except for smushing resistance for the Eternal Ones. They're really not undead. Tongue
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« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2003, 02:21:59 am »

NECRO-99 consider this a cybernetic smash over the head with a sledge hammer: What I meant is perhaps the Androsinth were unfriendly to the Orz. Perhaps they ordered them out of their space / attacked them / attempted to capture their technology (better drives / armor suits that are stronger than some ships) / threatened them / followed Ur-Quan orders and tried to enslave them or any number of other things that are distinctly unfriendly and that the Orz would consider the actions of *sad cows*. If the Orz could only enter *heavy space* via a single dimensionally fatigued area / portal on the Androsinth home world and the Androsinth attempted to destroy anything coming through (under the impression that it was an invasion force) and the Orz (as it said) could not stay togeather much longer in *pretty space* it could have considered it a life or death matter and resorted to lethal force.
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« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2003, 02:27:01 am »

Oh yes about the Tobermoon: Was Buwolski being attacked by a Marine? What attacked Buwolski may have attacked the Tobermoon in the same manner.
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« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2003, 11:47:58 pm »

Uh, Brain(less), why would they then go insane by seeing ghosts? You'll also note that the lander crew mentions something very, VERY pointedly:

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XENO-HISTORIAN KILGORE HERE, SIR. WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THESE RUINS ARE THE REMNANTS OF THE ANDROSYNTH CULTURE. FROM THE MASS DESTRUCTION WE HAVE WITNESSED, WE CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF HUGE LAND WAR HERE WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS; HOWEVER, THERE IS NO, REPEAT, NO SIGNS OF ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT OR INVASION FROM SPACE... JUST A WHOLE MESS OF BUILDINGS SHOT TO PIECES. PROBABLY THE WEIRDEST THING WE HAVE SEEN, OR NOT SEEN, ARE CORPSES... THERE AREN'T ANY! IT'S AS THOUGH SOMETHING APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE, BLASTED EVERYTHING WITH NUCLEAR BAZOOKAS, THEN GRABBED ALL THE ANDROSYNTH AND DISAPPEARED.


ZERO orbital attacks. None. They simply materialized out of nowhere, *pulled* them, then took their spot. The Orzine fleet didn't just happen to stumble by the Vulpeculae constellation, get jumped by the Androsynth and actually win. (The Orz, might I remind you, get their asses handed to them in melee vs. Androsynth). They appeared after DF was discovered, because the Androsynth allowed themselves to be *smelled*. The synth didn't have a chance to research the Orz equipment, probably because 1) They got *pulled* too quickly and 2) The Orz more than likely didn't use any technology, just the hole the Androsynth ripped and their own freakish selves.

As for the Tobermoon:
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If the Tobermoon were indeed attacked by the Orz, they must've materialized inside the ship, which would lead me to believe that they could then phase in/out at will. Yeeep.

Thanks for re-stating what I said.

Cripes, at least follow the storyline if you're going to try to argue.
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« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2003, 04:04:45 am »

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QUOTE: "Uh, Brain(less), why would they then go insane by seeing ghosts? You'll also note that the lander crew mentions something very, VERY pointedly:  

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XENO-HISTORIAN KILGORE HERE, SIR. WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THESE RUINS ARE THE REMNANTS OF THE ANDROSYNTH CULTURE. FROM THE MASS DESTRUCTION WE HAVE WITNESSED, WE CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF HUGE LAND WAR HERE WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS; HOWEVER, THERE IS NO, REPEAT, NO SIGNS OF ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT OR INVASION FROM SPACE... JUST A WHOLE MESS OF BUILDINGS SHOT TO PIECES. PROBABLY THE WEIRDEST THING WE HAVE SEEN, OR NOT SEEN, ARE CORPSES... THERE AREN'T ANY! IT'S AS THOUGH SOMETHING APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE, BLASTED EVERYTHING WITH NUCLEAR BAZOOKAS, THEN GRABBED ALL THE ANDROSYNTH AND DISAPPEARED.




ZERO orbital attacks. None. They simply materialized out of nowhere, *pulled* them, then took their spot."

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How do you come to that conclusion? It seems to me that all this means is that the Orz don't attack planets like most races. Instead of wasting time doing an orbital bombardment through shields and heavy fleet resistance they just open DF portals to the planets surface and extend their ghost tentacles through / send marines. It does not mean that:
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"They simply materialized out of nowhere, *pulled* them, then took their spot."



I don't see how this in any way disproves the senario that the Andrsinth meet the Orz fleet, the Androsinth are hostile, the Orz attack (and destroy) the Androsinth fleet with overwhelming numbers, the Orz attack the Androsinth home world via DF portals.

Damn, if your going to argue at least make some sense.
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« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2003, 08:45:05 am »

Well, the numbers would have to be pretty freaking overwhelming for the Orz to be able to beat the Androsynth in a ship combat war.
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« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2003, 12:27:36 am »

The only way the Orz *smelled* the Androsynth was because the Androsynth opened a DF portal.
On the surface of their own homeworld. No other way for the Orz to even DETECT this phase of reality.
Ahem. I doubt, though it is possible, that the Orz Nemesis (or the Guardian) aren't worth the base atoms they're comprised of when it comes to atmospheric flight/fights. It would be much easier to shove a couple ten-thousand Orz through the portal quickly than risk sending their ships through. The Orz are bastards, but not stupid. Tongue
Plus, the records started getting crazy, this is assumed to mean that the Androsynth *saw* the Orz. I think that, due to the "sleek effiency" (as put by Lukipela) of the Androsynth, they would've mentioned these ships in their records. They're not idiots either.
Also: Interstellar wars leaves bits of exploded ships scattered about, perhaps in orbit or those that have fallen to the surface. Do you find any debris in space, or any ship debris on the surface? No.

The Orz attack planets when they *smell* other races. They can't just go looking around for someone to jump, sneak up on em and whack em. They're kinda like guided missiles: they'll blow the hell out of stuff, but you need to point them first. The Androsynth unwittingly turned on a homing beacon as it were, so, they fell to the Orz via Dimentional-Fatigue-Driven Planetary Assault. No ships, no advanced warning...no way to fight back. The Ur-Quan don't even know about the Orz, and to counter the argument I can already hear coming,
"How do YOU know the Ur-Quan dont know about the Orz?"
They haven't tried to enslave them yet. The Kohr-Ah simply stumble upon them and annihilate them (yay!) when the Cleansing starts. If they DID have their fleet, the 'Quans would certainly know about it, and if the Androsynth ran into them in space somewhere, they'd tell their masters.

How, might I inquire, would the Orz go about putting their fleet into hyperspace without the Androsynth DF portal? I'll tell you, they DIDN'T. The Orz put their *heavy* fleet in once the Androsynth are gone.  
And for God's sake, its AndrosYnth, there's no I in it. Nothing I hate worse than arguing with someone that can't spell. Angry
Oh, as for making sense: I do. You don't. This isn't a hypothetical thing, what happened to the Androsynth. Its just unknown where they went. We KNOW the Orz did something, just not what.
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« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2003, 02:37:56 am »

Maybe the Androsynth were wiped out BECAUSE they had ships that were good against the ORZ?

If the Orz are all one entity, maybe it felt threatened by somebody trying to move the rock it was under? kind of like a snake or something...

FF and PR3 intended something to happen to you when you take the vindicator into hyberspace with a nemesis on it - for the same reason, perhaps?
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