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Re: Whats the deal with the Androsynth?(spoilers)
« Reply #75 on: September 14, 2003, 05:16:13 am »

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Whatever the Synth saw of the Orz *fingers* was either chunks of the Orz; like an eye, a fin, or something like that; or more likely, a somewhat transparent variant of the Orz, or an aforementioned chunk. In either case, the Synths had every reason to freak out.

Considering that the *fingers* probably need to remain submerged in liquid ethenol while in *heavy space*, I'd think the *fingers* would first appear as dead fish falling from the sky...
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The whole idea that the Ur-Quan slave empire somehow manages to spread across half of a galaxy and remains intact is a bothersome one. I can't help but wonder how the hell the Kzer-Za have kept thier slaves in check (if at all)?

Well, The Sa-Matra might have allowed this;  What if it's sensor and weapons-range was on a galactic scale?  The slave races would feel kind of like the losers of a traditional war where the enemy developed for the first time not only an atomic weapon, the computer, and radar, but a thermo nuclear Inter-continental ballistic missile, satellites to guide the missile and keep track of what you're doing, and the internet (one wrong move and POW, right to the moon!).
If it was the Sa-Matra that kept half the galaxy in line via threats, then there might be a lot of Battle Thralls setting themselves up as local warlords above the fallow slaves.
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Re: Whats the deal with the Androsynth?(spoilers)
« Reply #76 on: September 15, 2003, 04:49:00 am »

When the Kzer-Za leave an area and the usefulness of the battle thralls runs out they probably just slave shield them.


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Considering that the *fingers* probably need to remain submerged in liquid ethenol while in *heavy space*, I'd think the *fingers* would first appear as dead fish falling from the sky...  


Perhaps the Orz stuck it's toes in first...  Grin
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Re: Whats the deal with the Androsynth?(spoilers)
« Reply #77 on: September 15, 2003, 01:31:25 pm »

If the Sa-Matra had such a range, then the Ur-Quan would have no reason to bring it to the front line against the Chenjesu and Mmrnhrmm. The Chmmr would be aware of a superweapon regardless, but would never have seen it.

For that matter, if it had such incredible range, wouldn't the Ur-Quan just blast Zelnick upon return to Unzervalt when he encountered the Dreadnaught in orbit? Theoretically it could apply to anywhere the Ur-Quan were encountered, but it seems more logical to do at the confirmed "nest".

Perhaps the reason they were so slow to deploy it had something to do with how slow the craft travels?
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« Reply #78 on: September 15, 2003, 03:02:33 pm »

The Androsynth are clones. As such, if a research facility explodes, killing a thousand, you can quite easily replace them (by cloning even more Synths). Maybe this has become a habbit of them to not think about security, since all are equal (genetically speaking) and can be replaced by equal ones. Therefor i can imagine that they would bring a possibly very dangerous artifact to their homeworld. Hey, even you bring that dammit dangerous bomb into the solar system. Even the wearers of the mask do not make such stupid decissions (although they plan to use it eventually). Imagine some kind of student just pushed a button to test the reaction during research on the Spacestation. You'd never know what happened....

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Re: Whats the deal with the Androsynth?(spoilers)
« Reply #79 on: September 15, 2003, 06:25:41 pm »

Sage: The Kzer-Za didn't use the Sa-Matra against the Vindicator because, at the time, it isn't theirs. If it WAS theirs during the game, they'd simply nuke the Kohr-Ah fleet and call it good. They find the Sa-Matra just as the Kohr-Ah show up, and the two decide to fight over it. Thats why there's both Marauders and Dreadnoughts flying around it. (I think those are the ships that aren't involved in the conflict, they're there to make sure the other doesn't try anything furtive.)

Man, I'll write my reply to Brain later today, I'm still a little 'nuked' myself.  Lips Sealed
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« Reply #80 on: September 15, 2003, 06:59:36 pm »

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Sage: The Kzer-Za didn't use the Sa-Matra against the Vindicator because, at the time, it isn't theirs. If it WAS theirs during the game, they'd simply nuke the Kohr-Ah fleet and call it good. They find the Sa-Matra just as the Kohr-Ah show up, and the two decide to fight over it.
Nope, they found the Sa-Matra during the first Doctrinal War. They used it then to prevent their own extinction and won the 1. war. Now they do not use it, because the Sa-Matra is the 'Big Trophy' (translated from Ur-Quan to human by your favourite Melnorme Trade-Master) awarded to the winner of the Second Doctrinal War. And as Trophy it's like Wimbledon (or US-Open), it stands beside the battlefield. After the war, the winner may take the trophy and use it at will.
And the non-usage of the Trophy is in the rules of this ritual combat.
There are guards of both races, because they wish to protect the trophy so that no other race can pick the trophy while the battle stile lasts on (just like any decent tennisplayer would try to prevent the winnerstrophy being stolen by another player who did not win).

And you are playing unfair in the vindicator: You do not win the battle, you simply destroy the prize. Confused players who have nothing to win are not good fighters when it comes to win their match....
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« Reply #81 on: September 15, 2003, 10:59:19 pm »

I think general Androsynth theory is, "Why worry about death? There's ten million others exactly like me." Pretty much what was stated, but this now brings up an interesting question about Androsynth Cloning Facilities.

When the Androsynth learned something, would they have to go to a Facility to then place their knowledge into the collective genetic "pool" as it were, for the next clone to know?

If this was the case, the newest clones would be Supergenius level by 'synth standards at the time they were "born", but would level off to average intelligence area after a few months and more discoveries were made. And what about the 'synth that "fall behind" on knowledge? Soilent Green? Nah, they're not cannibals...what then... Huh
I've got it...they'd relegate the less-than-supergenius 'synth to working in the Cloning Facilities. That way, they'd be able to speak with the newest arrivals, and then glean some knowledge that way, thus bringing them back into the loop, as it were. They'd keep doing this until they'd gained sufficient knowledge as to where they can return to the workforce. This would also mean that ALL Androsynth would have intimate knowledge of the cloning facilities (the old ones from working in them and learning the hard way, the new clones from the "pool"), thus increasing efficiency if a new colony is made. Whoo. Shocked Tons of things could be put in this knowledge pool; structural notes about buildings, ship to ship tactics, planetary locations...and secrets about DF.

If the new Androsynth don't have a choice about learning what they do learn, there we go. That means that, if the Androsynth are "born" with the knowledge of DF, they are born with an active *scent* and therefore will be able to be *smelled* by the Orz. Poor devils didn't even have a choice.
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Re: Whats the deal with the Androsynth?(spoilers)
« Reply #82 on: September 15, 2003, 11:01:34 pm »

Oh, as an added bit, once I get my college-based webpage up, I'll be scanning a drawing of my theory DF I made and putting it there, that way it'll be easier to understand than what I wrote. Wink
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« Reply #83 on: September 16, 2003, 04:47:31 am »

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When the Androsynth learned something, would they have to go to a Facility to then place their knowledge into the collective genetic "pool" as it were, for the next clone to know?

This type of cloning is too similar to the Mycon Cloning.  I'm betting that the Androsynth learn things just like normal humans (albeit faster), and are distinct individuals (who would care about dying, even if there was a "body replacement" waiting).
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« Reply #84 on: September 16, 2003, 08:48:50 pm »

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When the Androsynth learned something, would they have to go to a Facility to then place their knowledge into the collective genetic "pool" as it were, for the next clone to know?

The Androsynth do not have a genetic memory like the Mycon (who seem to dwell and live in the corpses of their ancestors) or the Goa'Uld in Stargate. They are human after all. But their genetic code has been improved so that they are smarter, stronger, faster,... and more efficient than not cloned humans. That's why they learn and research faster. But I suppose their scholar system is quite much better than ours.
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« Reply #85 on: September 17, 2003, 05:52:38 am »

The Mycon are supposed to be a tool of the precursors that got out of control or something. The Androsynth are a human product, so it is reaonable to expect that the Mycon would be more, well, alien, compared with the androsynth, who are supposed to be just perfected humans. Human technology hasn't reached genetic memory yet Smiley
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« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2003, 10:22:09 pm »

True, but theoretically, one could implant knowledge of things on a growing clone. (subliminals would probably do the trick nicely)
It's just me, but I bet that the Androsynth are born adult. My wager, due to their warlike tendencies, would be to let the clone mature in the vat. Keep muscle mass up with electric probes (a la Matrix), and once it's old enough to have the ability to cognate, slap a headset on it (or pipe the information in directly to the tube) from a ROM or something, having it play over and over to the thousands of tubes that the Androsynth all are "born" from. You know, messages that are of common knowledge to all Androsynth. "We hate humans. The Ur-Quans are our masters. The Guardian is our finest achievement for spacefaring capabilities." and so forth. Obviously, as a young clone in the vats, have it taught all the things we're taught in elementary, then high-school, then college level stuff. After it's done, it's released and ready to join the rest of it's kind.
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« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2003, 01:14:06 am »

That would be a far divergence from Hsien Ho's clones, who (if you read between the lines) were more human(e) than the humans of their time.  The manuals make no mention of indoctrinated learning, or spending 20 years in a cloning vat.  For the 'synth to do such things to their own kind would be akin to the slavery that they fought humans to escape from (and the kind that they tried to develop IDF to escape from).
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« Reply #88 on: September 18, 2003, 01:52:42 am »

Actually it's far easier to sympathize with the Androsynth than resent them. Maybe there could be some side quest to find them and make friends with them after version 1.0 is complete.
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« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2003, 08:17:01 pm »

I've never read the direct SC1 manual about Androsynth, so the only thing I've read about them is from the Pages of Now and Forever. Anyone have links?

I guess I've just never seen Androsynth as a nurturing type. Then again, if the concept of a mother-figure never existed...
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