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Re: Whats the deal with the Androsynth?(spoilers)
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2003, 07:45:29 am »

that last message seemed familar Tongue
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2003, 03:11:16 pm »

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Seems to me the reason the Orz atack you is for the good of your species because - as demonstrated by the incident with the with the scientist and as the Arilou say later on - if you find out to much about the ghost/energy creatures then they can *smell*, ahem, I mean sense you and then they would kill you and likely move on to the rest of your species and the Orz figure that if you are so persistently interested in getting the information that if they don't kill you, you will find out some other way and get yourself and everything around / related to you killed and destroyed.


Hey, that's pretty good explanation.
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2003, 10:51:56 am »

If I remember aright the Arilou also tell one latter on that finding out more about the Androsinth would be hazerdous to ones health...
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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2003, 09:44:28 pm »

the know things about the orz that they wont tlel us
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2003, 10:56:48 am »

The Orz are just creepy, weird little guys.  Not necessarily evil, just REALLY different.  Cute in a terrifying sort of way.

I think that it was the Orz, in fact, who were responsible for the destruction of Eta Vulpeculae (my idea is that they can only be *smelled* in Truespace or Hyperspace, which would explain Bukowski getting ripped apart by things no one could see... kind of a disturbing image).  The Orz mention that they're not really visible to you; you only see what you THINK the Orz are.

As long as you don't bother the Orz about the Androsynth, you're just fine... they don't mind you knowing that the Synth are gone.  They just don't want you to know how or why the Synth left... and if you sniff around about the Synth too much, they do their best to make you regret it.

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They keep mentioning things about never wanting to go back to the other side, and they seem to love to kill things.  I think they might be kind of a toned-down version  of the Eternal Ones (a little higher on the food chain than the people in *heavy space* but not quite as high as the Eternal Ones are) - and then there's the idea of the Arilou changing your *smell*... which might be what the Orz call *jumping in front*.  Since you *smell* different thanks to the Arilou, the Orz don't want to kill you when you encounter them.  You're not classed as "food" then.

But when you prove you *smell* enough like the Synth to be interested in what happened to them, you allow yourself to be seen, and then it's chow time.

"There are no more Androsynth.  Only Orz."  The Orz ate them.  Smiley

I heard once that whoever wrote the dialogue for the Orz invented their untranslatable language by giving a sort of Mad-lib sheet to his five-year-old nephew... a mostly complete script, add a verb here, noun there, adjective someplace else and bang, there was *frumple*.

Now then, are the *nnngn* the little jumpy shooting-star things you see when you're in HSpace/Qspace maybe?
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Re: Whats the deal with the Androsynth?(spoilers)
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2003, 07:47:06 pm »

Seems to me as though my version makes more sense:

Quote: "HE DID A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THE ANDROSYNTH'S COMPUTER BEFORE WE STOPPED HIM, AND I GUESS HE MUST HAVE HURT HIMSELF IN THE PROCESS. HE'S CUT UP PRETTY BADLY. YOU KNOW, IT'S STRANGE, HE MUST HAVE HURT HIMSELF WORSE THAN I THOUGHT. NOW, WHEN I LOOK AT HIM, IT SEEMS LIKE HE HAS EVEN MORE CUTS THAN JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, AND BOY, IS HE SCREAMING! "

The scientest fellow on the planet was obviously being killed by one of the seminvisible ghost/energy things that did in the androsinth. I don't see what that has to do with the orz.
Seems to me the reason the Orz attack you if you ask to many questions about the Androsinth is for the good of your species because - as demonstrated by the incident with the with the scientist and as the Arilou say later on - if you find out to much about the ghost/energy creatures then they can *smell*, ahem, I mean sense you and then they would kill you and likely move on to the rest of your species and the Orz figure that if you are so persistently interested in getting the information that if they don't kill you, you will find out some other way other way of geting the information and get yourself and everything around / related to you killed and destroyed.
So why is it that everyone thinks the Orz are evil??

Also even though the Arilou and the Orz seem to have a long and unfriendly past the Arilou never acturly say the Orz did in the Androsinth. I think the reason the Arilou warn you to be wary of the Orz is because the Orz being some kind of linked "super" organism and as such likly have little regard for individual life.
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2003, 03:18:47 am »

One theory occurred to me that I don't know that anyone has suggested: What if the Orz ARE the Androsynth, in a way? Perhaps the Orz were some kind of "ghosts" that possessed the Androsynth and modified them to be more comfortable bodies. Possibly they found Androsynth especially easy to work with since they were artificial in origin.
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2003, 03:33:31 am »

The Orz say though that what you see isin't real, that what you see is just *fingers* of the Orz pushed into *heavy space*, and that you really arn't *smelling* them with light waves but that what you see is an illusion.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2003, 03:49:16 am »

Illusion is just one theory. Other people have pondered upon this, for example how can an illusion kill people in a heavy exoskeleton? The Orz say something along the lines "You think you can *smell* Orz, but you don't." With that theory I suggested (and it is just a suggestion, I don't mean that I support and believe in it completely), they would mean that those beaky fishes are not the Orz themselves, but controlled drones of sorts.
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2003, 03:56:44 am »

I'm not saying the Orz are illusion. I'm saying what you see is an illusion. Theres something there allright.
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2003, 04:17:19 am »

Another popular theory is that you are merely *seeing* a 3-D "slice" of a n-D (n presumed as > 3) being. TFB has in many instances supported the "Orz = one creature" theory, and the n-D slice seems like a logical extension of this idea (to me, anyhow). Is it possible that *people energy* is the closest the Orz come to telling you what they really are? Maybe. I don't know.
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2003, 05:55:59 am »

Orz says that you don't see Orz, but you see light-reflections.  The happy-people energy is joking (or misunderstands you); it's kind of like saying "You don't hear the tree falling in the woods, you 'hear' your cochlear cilia vibrating in your inner-ear after the impact of the tree.

Warlock proposed the androsynth-possessed-reshaped theory, and it fits the Arilou's statement.  I don't like it as much though.  A statement similar to the Arilou's could be "There are no more Deutchmarks, only Euros."  Although the value of the Deutchmarks were transfered into Euros, and the Euros took the DM's place, the DM's did not _become_ Euros.

I really do like the nD slice theory.  It also opens up the possibility that while the "fingers" we see are flying around in space ships, maybe Orz's teeth or digestive system are on the surface of the Androsynth world, and that system might be voluntary or involuntary - maybe once you know about it, you can be digested, and Orz can't stop it from happening.
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2003, 06:45:00 am »

It should be noted that *fingers* might not be a direct translation and that they might mean something more like "a lesser manipulative extension of the larger creature". Teeth and stomach (or even hands, really) might not fit into that analogy.

I have also read Warlock's files and theories regarding the Orz. However I seem to remember the Marine vac suit "bubble" where the "Orz" was supposed to be housed turned out to be a viewscreen. What direction he intended to take this idea is anyone's guess, really. I kind of wish I could have seen the (paraphrasing) "horrible INSANE visage of the Orz, accented by a pair of Groucho Marx glasses"

*Light reflections* also, to a certain degree, support the "slice" theory. Light (presumably) is restricted to 3 dimensions. And since your sight relies on light, what you *see* of the Orz is not necessarily what the Orz are.

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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2003, 04:47:22 pm »

The theory that ORZ is one creature is the most interesting (and creepy...) so far.

By the way, how come the ORZ got to beat the androsynth? It seems like the Guardian is built specficaly to counter the nemesis, so it's very tough to win if you're the ORZ. Was this done on purpose in the game? (the ORZ have some hidden abilities..?)
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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2003, 05:24:35 pm »

The Orz did not fight the Androsynth. If the Orz did something to the 'Synth and what, is not explained in the game. Whenever you get to know what happened to your beloved cloned slaves, it will be to late for you to survive your day. These are *fat words*. Do not ask these questions again. This makes other people *frumple*.

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