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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2003, 07:47:25 pm »

I can read, but the story is long and boring.... Sad
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2003, 09:02:08 pm »

Haha... you should know a post can only be a maximum of 6 sentences... or is it words?  It if's too long, people like me start to confuse words for food... then we get hungry... and when I'm hungry, I'm usually angry.

I remember having a big debate about whether the Druuge were evil or not.  I say they're evil because I think their ships, slave-based system of trade, and demanours are pretty nasty and evil in essence.  Others told me they were just greedy and that evil didn't run through their blood.

I'd argue otherwise, especially when the butt end of those Maulers are facing your direction.
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2003, 04:27:09 pm »

Ah, the old six sentces rule. Well, I suppose that theoretical debates and quotes can prove boring and hard to understand for some, but a debate about good and evil can hardly become anything without that...

The Druuge are a prime example of thinking of people as things, so I'd call them evil.

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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2003, 07:30:56 am »

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You can't label things "good" and "evil". Thats the entire point and idea behind Starcontrol 2.

You could not be more DEAD WRONG! A person can go around calling all people, places, and objects "barf" for all I care because it's entirely possible to label anything as one will. The second sentence is even more laughable. Paul and Fred did not say "Let's make a game that proves good and evil are falty concepts" when they started to put this game together. What they did do is make a game with nearly 30 different species that are not one-dimensional.
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2003, 11:37:37 pm »

yes, but the indeviduals that supported slavery were evil. So i guess the argument would be that the indevidual druuge that support slavery are evil.
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2003, 12:49:50 am »

And, seeing as the entire Drruge culture seems to be based on slavery, that makes a large amount of them evil. the trouble here is that we (obviously) know very little of everday life, be it in the Crimson Corporation, or as an Acolyte of Dogar and Kazon. There are probably any number of different sides and factions in every alien culture, all with different agendas, goals and morals. However, we only see the general outcome, which is either what a majority of the population supports, or what a small and powerful elite has decided upon. therefore we can only label the races generally good or evil, not specifically. To do so, would Chrispy so eloquently points out, be a generalization of an entire race.
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2003, 04:15:45 am »

dont understand that last sentence Huh
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2003, 03:34:32 pm »

Possibly I misspelled that word but I'm too lazy to check (don't hate me Nic Wink ). What I meant was that I agree with you on the idea that individuals may have different views than the race as a whole.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2003, 07:33:48 pm »

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dont understand that last sentence Huh


There is a good reason for that. Namely, the structure of the sentence is sort of inside-out (though still correct, up to repunctuation). I'll explain.

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To do so, would Chrispy so eloquently points out, be a generalization of an entire race.


repunctuated, that comes out as

"To do so would, Chrispy so eloquently points out, be a generalization of an entire race."

Subject: "To do so" == To label a race as specifically good or evil (refers to the previous sentence)
Verb: "would be"
Predicate nominative: "a generalization of an entire race"
A clause modifying the rest of the sentence: "Chrispy so eloquently points out"

I am not sure what kind of clause it is. It seems to be invoking indirect discourse, effectively saying:
"Chrispy is pointing out that to do so would be a generalization of an entire race."
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2003, 07:47:24 pm »

thats ok, i get it now. But as it was, it was half way between agreeing with me or asking me a question.
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2003, 03:07:05 pm »

Eh.. just looked at it myself and it is simply missing an "as". The full sentence should be :

To do so, would as Chrispy so eloquently points out, be a generalization of an entire race.
That's what you get for writing while asleep.
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2003, 07:45:32 pm »

I stand by my version. This version still needs no comma before the 'would' and needs one after it -- because 'would' is not part of the clause.

edit: this is on topic! I'm being evil!
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2003, 08:15:54 pm »

thats prolly what confused me.
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« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2003, 10:24:49 pm »

i'll concede that the first comma is unneccessary,  but I don't think it needs one after the would. I blame all confusion and discord in this evil topic on the differences between english and my native languages. Wink
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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2003, 12:58:57 am »

English is Eeeevil!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.  Grin

In US popular culture, there is a trend towards "moral relativism"... Though there is *some* merit to the concept for tolerance's sake, it is, imho, a factor in eroding moral systems.  :-/

Just curious, why does a *whole* race need to be classified as "good" or "evil"?  Does not evil apply to actions and intentions?
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