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Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« on: August 21, 2003, 04:03:31 am »

The Kohr-ah wish to annihilate all sentient lives besides themselves and the Kzer-Za.


Now the war is about that the Kzer-Za want to enslave races, but the Kohr-Ah want simply to annihilate them.

now why the hell do the Kzer-Za risk themselves just for preventing the Kohr-Ah annihilate the races? they will still be safe. it's much  better for them if they live in peace with the kohr-ah since the kohr-ah wins and the kzer-za's sphere of influence grows smaller

they could just let them kill all races and the sa-matra will be there boths


also it's a bit funny that the kohr-ah would seek all existing lives

isn't the universe just a BIT too big ?
their fleet is not big enough to seek all the hiding sentients


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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2003, 04:14:56 am »

Because the Kzer-Za are benevolent War-Mongering Slavers.   Grin
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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2003, 04:17:01 am »

The Kohr-Ah are being paranoid and self-preservationist, they think they will be enslaved again (as they were by the Dnyarri) if they do not wipe out all sentient life except them and the Kzer-Za.

The Kzer-Za do not want other races to go through what they went through, and are 'protecting' them by putting them under slave shields or making them join their armada.

They have a slight clash of interests, as I see it, one wants to protect, the other wants to wipe out.
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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2003, 09:26:55 am »

Question, who walks on the "Path of Now and Forever"?

I speak to the Kzer-Za and they say that they are on it, while the Korh-ah have taken the Eternal Doctrine..

..but then I spoke to the Korh-Ah (this is all from the PC alpha 0.2) and they say that they are on the Path and are fighting the Doctrinal War with their bretheren...

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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2003, 12:49:10 am »


As we have always said, Humans are a MOST resourceful and clever species.

In the original PC version, Both claim to follow the PoNaF, the Kohr-Ah never mention the Eternal Doctrine, and the Kzer-Za say that the Kohr-Ah devised "their Eternal Doctrine."

I take this to mean that in Ur-Quan speach, PoNaF is a flowery way of saying that what you're doing is right and you'll do it forever, and Eternal Doctrine means that what someone does is wrong, but they are bound by doctrine to do it eternally.  *shrug*

Or, it's yet another inconsistency for the looking post-1.0 thread,
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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2003, 09:07:15 am »

 
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I take this to mean that in Ur-Quan speach, PoNaF is a flowery way of saying that what you're doing is right and you'll do it forever, and Eternal Doctrine means that what someone does is wrong, but they are bound by doctrine to do it eternally.  *shrug*

Or, it's yet another inconsistency for the looking post-1.0 thread,

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Sorry, I'm a little new to this. "Looking Post" thread?
Well, it's at least good to know I'm not the only one who remembered that.

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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2003, 12:14:19 pm »

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Sorry, I'm a little new to this. "Looking Post" thread?

"Post-1.0" as in "After version 1.0". Does it make more sense now?
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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2003, 12:31:18 pm »

Ah.
Still, that sentence is missing something..
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Or, it's yet another inconsistency for the looking post-1.0 thread,  


Maybe I'm reading too far after "inconsistency". The sentence seems to make the best sense if it ended there.

And don't the Korh-Ah seek to wipe out the Kzer-Za, not for the fact that they are sentient, but the fact that they are counter-productive toward the goals of the Korh-Ah?

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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2003, 06:39:16 pm »

No.

This line summarizes:
"We are self-sufficient. We need nothing. We want nothing
beyond the total destruction of all non-Ur-Quan sentience."

Since the Kzer-Za did allow the Kohr-Ah to live rather than destroy them after the first Doctrinal Conflict, and even considered the possibility that the Kohr-Ah might even be right, I'd say that the Kzer-Za are owed a debt of honor.
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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2003, 11:30:09 am »

Yarr. Good point.

I've been talking to the Melnorme, buying info and that, and the last bit of historical trivia says that the Kzer-Za will stand aside if the Korh-Ah wins the conflict. How are the two sides keeping score??

Speaking of the Melnome, they also point out that the Kzer-Za "wished to establish the 'Path of Now and Forever'" while Korh-Ah "proposed the simpler alternative, the 'Eternal Doctrine'."

So the Korh-Ah constantly mentioning that they are on the Path of Now and Forever, possibly just an oversight in the scripts?

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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2003, 01:32:57 am »

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Maybe I'm reading too far after "inconsistency". The sentence seems to make the best sense if it ended there.


Okay, how's this:
It's another inconsistency which can be added to the thread entitled Looking post-1.0: "Shoring up" the story, the thread which proposes ways to fix plot-holes and script errors (found at http://uqm.stack.nl/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Gendiscuss;action=display;num=1051629060 )
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Re: Why isn't the Doctorinal war unnecessary?
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2003, 04:54:38 am »

Ah. Peachy keen. Grin
Not even I could miss that now. (these boards a huuuuge.. Tongue)

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