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Re: Translation
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2003, 02:00:48 pm »

Don't understand me wrong, I'll help, but i do not have the time to take lead in this project.

My idea to get this going is to have someone starting this project and cutting it to pieces, like one race to translate for one(or several) helper(s) who translates the complete discussion (Zelnicks and the other races parts). The teamleader should make the other changes needed (like fonts, synchronization of the subtitles, providing the original texts, sorting the incoming translated bits, ...)
I am willing to do translation of the text, no more (like i said preferably supox and/or utwig texts to german and/or dutch).

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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2003, 02:18:23 pm »

Well, when I saw SC2 first time the first thing I asked - is there Russian version? When my English got better I did not need it anymore.

Obviously, the translator must be very talented writer to keep all of F&P spirit in the game. There are jokes, cultural references etc.

And this job should not be done by more than two persons -- the thanslation must have style or not exist at all IMHO

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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2003, 05:57:12 pm »

For those able & willing to work on the German version, there is this project.

It looks like it has had little activity in a few months, but it may still be "alive", as it were.
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2003, 06:35:08 pm »

How to change the font of the questions that the player choses. Is there .fon directory for it?
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2003, 06:41:04 pm »

I'm in for sure!

I already translated a few games (In fact I have a translation group  Wink ).

But I'v only dealt with Roms so far, not computer games,

so the team will have to dump and reinsert the script themselves- or at least tell me how.
Also the font files.


The script is not that long- it rather short actually, compared to other games.

Hey- if any of the makers want to contact me- I'm in: or_perel@hotmail.com.

That would be my honor.  Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2003, 08:14:10 pm »

I hope that the people who are already starting on a translation realise that there will be more work for them to do when we move to XML (though a lot might be done automatic).
The library I had in mind for the XML parsing is 'expat', which can handle utf-8, utf-16, iso-8859-1, and us-ascii encoding. So when the time for XML comes, you can just write your text in any editor that can handle one of these encodings. How we handle the charsets themselves will still need some thought. At the moment we're using .png images (1 per character), which is inadequate imho. Some standard file format which is able to handle bitmap fonts would have my personal preference.
Also, translating is far from trivial. As an exercise, try to translate the following text to your native tongue:
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To Arms! To Arms!... wait a minute! Don't HAVE any arms!
AIEE!! MY ARMS!! WHO HAS STOLEN MY ARMS!!! AIEEE!! ARM THIEF!!!


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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2003, 08:29:24 pm »

So very true.  Last year my friend was reading "Harry Potter und der Stein der Weisen" and he commented on the fact that they simply transliterated alot of the humour in the book, which caused the jokes to make no sense (unless you happened to be bilingual and knew what they were trying to do).  I think great care would need to be takes with the UQM texts to keep a similar incident from occurring.

But I'm sure the phrase "to arms!", once translated, can have puns made at its expense in any language.  Then again, I am probably the least qualified poster on the forum to make such assertions. Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2003, 09:17:32 pm »

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Also, translating is far from trivial. As an exercise, try to translate the following text to your native tongue:
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To Arms! To Arms!... wait a minute! Don't HAVE any arms!
AIEE!! MY ARMS!! WHO HAS STOLEN MY ARMS!!! AIEEE!! ARM THIEF!!!

It is just an untranslatable joke, and I believe to translate means to adapt a text to its target culture without betraying the intention of the author. We call it "localization", and I suppose "localization"  is basically different from "translation".  I think what we have to do is the former. Right?
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2003, 11:00:00 pm »

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I hope that the people who are already starting on a translation realise that there will be more work for them to do when we move to XML (though a lot might be done automatic).
The library I had in mind for the XML parsing is 'expat', which can handle utf-8, utf-16, iso-8859-1, and us-ascii encoding. So when the time for XML comes, you can just write your text in any editor that can handle one of these encodings. How we handle the charsets themselves will still need some thought. At the moment we're using .png images (1 per character), which is inadequate imho. Some standard file format which is able to handle bitmap fonts would have my personal preference.
Also, translating is far from trivial. As an exercise, try to translate the following text to your native tongue:



Unfourtunally you'r 100% right,  :-/

But than again- I found a solution for this one.
Never make a direct translation: people might complain as much as they want that the original text was diffrent and stuff- but every language has it's own wonders.

You could take a diffrent joke and tell it in Hebrew or German, but in English on the other hand- it might suck really badly.


So what I suggest is that you put something that makes sense for the time being- and "pay" for it in a diffrent (and a boring) dialogue of the game.

At least that's what I did..
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2003, 02:45:25 am »

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Also, translating is far from trivial. As an exercise, try to translate the following text to your native tongue:
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To Arms! To Arms!... wait a minute! Don't HAVE any arms!
AIEE!! MY ARMS!! WHO HAS STOLEN MY ARMS!!! AIEEE!! ARM THIEF!!!


As Yukki said, it would need localization, not direct translation. As what to do with this quote in Finnish translation, I'd probably use the word "sotajalalle" (which has a bit same meaning as "To Arms" expect it has reference to "legs".
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« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2003, 06:37:03 pm »

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I must start to assemble a translation team Smiley. For Bulgarian language i have to make cyrillic version of the fonts, maybe someone who is russian will be interested. By the way, 'zelnick' on bulgarian sounds funny for a name of captain of starship Smiley.


I am intrested Wink I translating texts into Russian now Wink
But i can`t make a Russian Fonts!
I don`t understand what i must do with PNG in the font directory to do it Russian Sad Tell me please.
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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2003, 09:59:57 pm »

They're all named after integers.  You need to (a) use an 8-bit Russian encoding, and (b) name each letter after the code used to represent it.  We're using ASCII now, so, for instance, captial A is 65.png.
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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2003, 02:14:18 am »

http://www.geocities.com/jogy_roger/SC2Translator.zip
Here it is, a tool for translating the texts. I wrote it today so it may have some bugs. I hope that it's handy.
As for the fonts i made the small cyrillic letters for the comandr.fon . I still have to draw the uppercased letters.
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I am intrested Wink I translating texts into Russian now Wink
But i can`t make a Russian Fonts!
I don`t understand what i must do with PNG in the font directory to do it Russian Sad Tell me please.

If you want we may share the work on cyrrilic fonts Smiley. If you have troubles with the png files it's not necessary to save as png, i can convert the files later...
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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2003, 11:07:29 am »

Thanks for tool Jogy Wink I began translate the texts...and waiting cyrilic png`s.
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