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Remix License?
« on: November 22, 2003, 11:58:57 pm »

What is the license on the remixes?
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Re: Remix License?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2003, 12:17:43 am »

Actually, I'm not really sure. Why are you asking?
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2003, 12:47:12 am »

Curiosity, and hope that the content will one day be Free Software.  The current content is non-free, since it only allows distribution as part of Ur-Quan Masters.  If the remixes are Free Software, it would bring Ur-Quan Masters one step closer to being Free Software itself.

One concern would be how close they are to the originals.  If they use much of the original music and score, like the recent Hyperspace remix for "purists", they can't be distributed at all, since the current content license prohibits derivative works as well as distribution outside of the Ur-Quan Masters package.  The remixes that are entirely new and just "inspired by" the original have no such issues.
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2003, 01:11:41 am »

I think the remixes are covered by standard copyrights and permissions from the original composers, like any music being remixed anywhere should.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2003, 11:56:21 am »

The following is not an expert opinion; I'm a programmer, not a lawyer.

As far as I can tell, there are two separate issues here: what licence is the original music under and what licence is the remixed music under.

The first issue is somewhat unclear, as I don't know any of the details of the deal between the composers and TFB. If the copyright has been reassigned to TFB, they're the ones who decide what's allowed. If the composers still have the copyright, they decide. TFB has allowed distribution of the original unchanged music with UQM, but that's about it. The fact that TFB can allow redistribution suggests that they are the copyright holders, but this is mostly guesswork.

As for the remixes, it is safe to assume that the Precursors are giving us the right to personal use of the music at least. As I can't find any permission to redistribute or anything anywhere, we seem to be limited to fair use rights only, which basically translates as "Do what you like to it, but don't let anyone else see/hear/copy it.".

In order to resolve this situation, we need to know who has the copyright on the original music (Riku? What sort of stuff did you sign?), and under what terms the Precursors will allow redistribution (and possibly modification) of their remixes. Based on currently available data, the Precursors may be vulnerable to legal action from TFB, although this does seem unlikely.

BTW, when is remix pack 3 going to be released?
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2003, 02:00:38 pm »

For the PC .mod files, the original composers hold the copyright. I don't know about Burke Treischmann's remixes for the 3DO.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2003, 04:08:09 pm »

OK, so the original composers have the copyright on the originals. Most of them should be OK with the remix project, as they're in it themselves; this covers Dan Nicholson, Riku Nuottajärvi, Aaron Grier and Erol Otus. Berge, Brown, Palivec and Dunbar don't appear to have participated in the remix project, but I assume they've granted permission to remix their tunes.

However, as the remix team hasn't specified what licence the remixes are under, if any, it is impossible to tell what form of distribution and modification (if any) of the remixes is legal.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2003, 05:12:46 pm »

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Berge, Brown, Palivec and Dunbar don't appear to have participated in the remix project, but I assume they've granted permission to remix their tunes.

The remixing project was initiated from TFB. It's very well possible that they had that permission by the original agreement.

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However, as the remix team hasn't specified what licence the remixes are under, if any, it is impossible to tell what form of distribution and modification (if any) of the remixes is legal.

A good point. For the ones on ampcast they've probably agreed to free distribution by putting them there though. (These are the .mp3's, not the .oggs)

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2003, 08:29:34 am »

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BTW, when is remix pack 3 going to be released?


We have open deadline set, however I have the feeling it will move forward. The past two weeks have been little bit vacation for us, Riku been busy with other things in mind, Espen has his final exams coming soon so I'm sure he wants to focus on those, about Tore I don't know.. I have been busy with some other work as well, and frankly having a bit vacation from remixing too. Next pack is mostly ready, just few unfinished songs.
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