The Ur-Quan Masters Home Page Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
February 08, 2023, 06:05:26 pm
Home Help Search Login Register
News: Celebrating 30 years of Star Control 2 - The Ur-Quan Masters

+  The Ur-Quan Masters Discussion Forum
|-+  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release
| |-+  General UQM Discussion (Moderator: Death 999)
| | |-+  Question about the Chmmr
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 Print
Author Topic: Question about the Chmmr  (Read 9414 times)
The Ultron
Guest


Email
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2003, 12:19:52 am »

Now what i find interesting is that the chmmr avatar is better at killing old alliance ships then the old battle thralls ships. and is very poorly designed to attack the sa-matra. one of the better ships to kill the sa-matra is the pkunk fury.

maybe they have plans to take over the galaxy?

or do they have more evil desires?
Logged
Death 999
Global Moderator
Enlightened
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 3870


We did. You did. Yes we can. No.


View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2003, 02:21:13 am »

Remember, we never see the Sa-Matra in combat; we only see the asteroid shell around it.
We know that the Sa-Matra is not firing those weapons since once you take out the shield generators, the defenses stop respawning.

Defiant, I don't see what's messed up -- the communications lines were cut towards the end of the war.
Logged
Matticus
*Many bubbles*
***
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 155



View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2003, 08:24:34 am »

The simplest reason why the Syreen can't build ships is because you don't offload resources to them and they have no way to mine planets for extra resources themselves. But consider this: when the Kzer-Za conquered Earth they confiscated the technical data necessary to construct Earthling Cruisers. The only reason why they can be built at all is because one of the Starbase personnel made secret copies of the data (you might recall that conversation with Hayes).

Considering that the Syreen chose to be slave-shielded, I don't think it's wrong to assume that they had the necessary data to build their ships taken away as well. That's why they need you to actually go and physically bring them ships. Otherwise it really would be as easy as giving them resources, etc.
Logged

philosophy is the talk on a cereal box
religion is a smile on a dog
Defender
Enlightened
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 815



View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2003, 08:59:25 am »

the communications lines were cut towards the end of the war.

oh yhea! i forgot about that. even so, did both races, on a moments notice, come to the conlusion, that combining there races, would stop the ur-quan. id like to think that "the process" was thought out, long before the war was lost.

i make such a statement with these facts:

both races, both with high intelligence, would not make a hasty judement, that might not work. or worse yet, destroy both races out right. combining one race with another, would need to be researched, planed, and then carried out. research, taking alot of time. i would suppose that they might need to keep it a secret, in the event the we lose the war. most likely, to prevent its knowlege coming to light. all im saying is that it is possible that it was thought out, not just spur of the moment.

~DEFIANT
« Last Edit: December 08, 2003, 09:01:37 am by DEFIANT » Logged
Matt Caspermeyer
Zebranky food
*
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 13


SC2 is one of the best games of all time!


View Profile WWW
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2003, 09:41:09 am »

One thing that is being overlooked is that it may have taken the Mmrnmhrm and the Chenjesu years to determine if they were indeed compatible with each other.

How many years went by before you came back from Unzervault? At least 20, right?

My guess is that the Mmrnmhrm and the Chenjesu decided to be slave shield together so that they could jointly work on a plan to deal with the Sa-Matra, which the Chenjesu learned about when their Broodhomes were decimated.

Only after years of planning did they come up with the synthesis of a new species (amongst many other plans) as they were able to study each other and determine that there was indeed a compatibility.

So my guess is that the synthesis of a new species was not discovered until after they were slave shielded on the same planet.

There is also the point about them leaving evidence at the Starbase about what was going on - who knows how long they'd been gone from the Starbase? They could have left the day before you arrived for all we know.

I'm sure while they were there they could easily hide it from the Ur-Quan (and that is why there was evidence in the computers), but after the Ur-Quan missed refueling the Starbase (Procyon is farther away than Sol) a few times and the Ilwrath stopped flying through their systems (the Mmrnmhrm and Chenjesu were probably no fun to them since they probably didn't respond to the Ilwrath threats early on) they probably started to think that they could take a chance and leave the station. Maybe they could say (if the Ur-Quan indeed show up) that they ran out of power and the Mmrnmhrm and Chenjesu manning the Starbase perished. Maybe the Ur-Quan would buy it, maybe not, but I'm sure they weighed the risks and decided that it was worth trying to perform the merging at all costs.

Matt
Logged
FalconMWC
Enlightened
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1059


Avatar Courtesy of Slyrendro


View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2003, 06:18:25 pm »

There are two problems with that theory that I see.

1. How do we know that the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm require oxygen? Or what is their "food" or "water" that they need to surive. They might be able to survive longer then us considering they most likely don't have to "waste" radioactives on the oxygen system.

2. When you go to Procyon before you send the Ilwrath away, it looks like a homeworld. So of the Ilwrath ships there at the slave shielded planet, (Lets just say a hundred thousand) I will assume that those ships need food supplies, oxygen (assuming the IIwrath need it) and fuel. They can't repenish their supplys on the slave shielded world - So were do they do it? Well how about that Space Station built mostly for them. When you think about it, don't you think that even 1 curious IIwrath would venture in the space station.  What does he find? Well he finds the same thing that your team found.

Another thing - I have to agree with Defiant about the Chmmr leaving us out of the loop. I  mean they could have freed us or at the very least informed us of what they were doing.

O-Well *sigh*  More thoughts from FalconMWC
Logged
Deep-Jiffa
Enlightened
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1045



View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2003, 03:54:13 am »

Go to Orz space, stay in 1 of the system for sometime and check what happens. Thats right, ships leave and enter the system! Same with the Ilwrath, they patrol there and the chenjesu and m:bots aren't instresting them.
Logged

Deep Jiffa Owns j00!
Defender
Enlightened
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 815



View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2003, 09:19:48 am »

game wise, yes, your right. but we have to imagine that this universe is real, and that all logic that applies in our *real* universe, also applies there as well.

so... wouldnt it be logical to assume that the illwraith, who are stationed here, patroling chenjesu space, check up on our crystal firends. if not just to get more fuel and repairs.

of course maybe they did check up on them. found out no ones home to fix/fuel there ships, and just didnt care. theyve got bigger aliens to sacrifice. namely the pkunk.

~DEFIANT
« Last Edit: December 09, 2003, 09:20:27 am by DEFIANT » Logged
Matticus
*Many bubbles*
***
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 155



View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2003, 02:19:35 am »

Quote
1. How do we know that the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm require oxygen? Or what is their "food" or "water" that they need to surive. They might be able to survive longer then us considering they most likely don't have to "waste" radioactives on the oxygen system.
From what I recall, the Chenjesu homeworld doesn't have an atmosphere. I also remember reading somewhere (the manual?) that the Chenjesu evolved as photo/chemovores. So they feed off of light and... chemicals of some sort. And they apparently don't need oxygen.

As for the Mmrnmhrm... I dunno. I don't think that information's given anywhere.
Logged

philosophy is the talk on a cereal box
religion is a smile on a dog
FalconMWC
Enlightened
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 1059


Avatar Courtesy of Slyrendro


View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2003, 02:54:17 am »

If I were a IIwrath (Which of course I am not so this is just guessing)  Wink  Anything I saw weird at the base I would notify the ur-quan for. Probaly just another torture victim for their gods.  

I still would think that the IIwrath would come to the conclusion that the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm are a real threat!  I mean, they have better ships (even the old ones) and can penetrate the slave shield easy.
So as a IIwrath I would see the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm as a  major threat to their life as well as a chance to prove themselves to their gods.




Logged
Admiral Zrnzrk
Zebranky food
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 11



View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2003, 03:35:18 am »

The Mmrnmhrm world was airless.

http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/scwc/species/mmrnmhrm.htm
« Last Edit: December 10, 2003, 03:35:43 am by Admiral_Zrnzrk » Logged

"Your Grace, I have only one question. Do you wish this man crippled, or dead?" -- Honor Harrington (FiE)
Culture20
Enlightened
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 917


Thraddash Flower Child


View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2003, 04:56:52 am »

Chenjesu World couldn't have been without an atmosphere because they evolved their piezo-electric properties into a form of electrical arc (for exciting & bending other piezo electric crystals: tool use).  Vaccuum is one of the best resistors of electrical arcs (please correct if wrong, electro-physics was 11 years ago).  At least the ship has an atmosphere; you can see the arc, which means it is exciting some medium.

My mistake; just checked:  Procyon in SC2 game is indeed a vacuum with -211C temperature.  I wonder if the Chenjesu emit their own field of particles that the electrons then excite...  they'd be like crystal fountains with Procyon being the source.  Injesting crystaline chemicals at their base, and expelling the waste in a cloud/mist around themselves, which they can use to extend electric arcs.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2003, 05:13:30 am by Culture20 » Logged
Admiral Zrnzrk
Zebranky food
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 11



View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2003, 05:24:15 am »

Perhaps Procyon II had a thinner atmosphere and was not necessarily airless.  All planetary atmospheres where compared to an Earth standard and where (apparently) rounded to the nearest whole number.  

Therefore, if Procyon had less than fifty percent of the Earth standard it would be rounded down to zero.  There would still be a electrically conductive medium, even though the world is considered airless.
Logged

"Your Grace, I have only one question. Do you wish this man crippled, or dead?" -- Honor Harrington (FiE)
JonoPorter
Enlightened
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 656


Don't mess with the US.


View Profile WWW
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2003, 09:01:31 am »

Quote
Chenjesu World couldn't have been without an atmosphere because they evolved their piezo-electric properties into a form of electrical arc (for exciting & bending other piezo electric crystals: tool use).  Vaccuum is one of the best resistors of electrical arcs (please correct if wrong, electro-physics was 11 years ago).  At least the ship has an atmosphere; you can see the arc, which means it is exciting some medium.


Electrons can be transmited without some form of medium. the thing your your stairing into proves that. (unless you have a lcd monitor) but it is true that there must be some form of medium if you can see the arch.



now the real question we must all consider is: are we geeks?
we spend our time finding holes and plot holes in a game that hasn't been on the shelves for a decade. The fact that someone has found a physics inconsistancy that pertains to the image of a melee control window with sparks in it while the race lives i vacume, is kinda sad.

This Geek Salutes You!
Logged

There are none so blind as those who will not see. — Jonathan Swift

My Remake of UQM.
My 2D physics engine
Both are written in C#.
Death 999
Global Moderator
Enlightened
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 3870


We did. You did. Yes we can. No.


View Profile
Re: Question about the Chmmr
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2003, 07:27:25 pm »

I think the answer to your question is

YES
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!