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« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2004, 11:55:19 am »

what war?
I personally never heard of him and couldn't find anything related in (the hebrew) search engines.

sounds interesting though!
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« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2004, 05:47:58 am »

I have some of the airings of it stored on a disk somewhere i'll see if I can find it.
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« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2004, 01:46:22 pm »

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what war?
I personally never heard of him and couldn't find anything related in (the hebrew) search engines.

sounds interesting though!


I really don't know I would it's the ongoing and in fact ending war between the arabs and the Iraelis(no comment on spelling plz)When I find find the data would u like a copy of it?
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« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2004, 10:04:39 pm »

That site (JTF) is a dangerous site.
Please refrain from using it.
It has extremely violent opinions expressed there with the pleas for more finances and donations to make the impact even harder.
The opinions and pictures on the site are offensive and absurd.
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« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2004, 10:47:17 pm »

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The opinions and pictures on the site are offensive and absurd.

The pictures are offensive and absurd ?!!

I assume you are refering to these pictures, aren't you?

well, you can do what the rest of the world is doing - keep your eyes shut and look the other way! it's easy to do that when it doesn't bother you.
and what happens when those pictures get to your country? assuming you're from the USA, oh - oops, Sep 11th.. was it that long ago that you have already forgotten? or perhaps because it was only a single occasion? or perhaps because there were no grisly pictures for you to view such as those?

feast your eyes on what's really happening. is that picture a singular occasion? no. I would get you a thousand pictures for each man and woman (at this point) who ended up like those poor children, but Israel refrains from collecting such images. come live over here. just yesterday another suicide bomber exploded in a bus, killing 8 (you can see the remains of the bus in Hague infront of the international court. will that image make you feel anything, or do you need to see scorched human insides?)

Here's something you won't get a heart attack from (Incitements in the PLO including specific anti-american propaganda)

and here's a video clip from just a month ago (or download full 57mb here). the first of this kind to be published.

Don't close your eyes.
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« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2004, 02:25:55 am »

I was actually refering to the other pictures (like that of the dead suicide bomber).
Yes, it is a very difficult time, but showing the victims in their death is somewhat heartless.
You actually use their death and honor to make out a point.
Do not lecture me about how it's impossible to live in israel, this is not the issue!
The issue is the cold and cynical use someone made of the pain and suffering of the families of those who died in that terror act.
How would you feel if one of your family died in such an attack and then some politicly oriented heartless person showed your loved one in his/her bloody state just after and explosion. What if you could even make out your relative from the mess and say "hey here's Ronnie!".
This is what I am against.
Terror is bad, and those who do it are evil but so are those who use terror to further their own goals.
So, stop acting offended and look at that site as it really is:
Cold, heartless and totally unecessary.
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« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2004, 03:58:47 pm »

I agree that that website is a bit inciting, and I'm not saying that it makes me want to give them money (nor should anyone else); but they're mostly just stating facts. you should read between the lines and not disqualify it just because they're asking for money.

people don't really give a damn. people don't really think about "how" it happend, only the statistics. I'd tell you 8 Israeli civilians were killed by a suicide bomber, and you'd tell me "sure, but 16 palestinians, some 15-years old, were killed by Israeli soldiers!" (or simply "woah. that's sad. oh well")

what's the difference? These photos tell you the difference. that's why it's important to show them. it's important for readers to understand that Israeli civilians were killed by a terrorist and Palestinian terrorists were killed by soldiers.
(*why 16-years old? how come you hear about PLO children getting killed? that's because either they're holding a weapon and shooting or the older ones hold them as human shields).


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and I'm not lecturing on how hard it is to live in Israel. It's not that hard, this isn't some third-world country. I'm just hoping I can make people see our point of view of the situation.
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« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2004, 08:03:59 pm »

Why do people don't understand the situation we are living in? Because we have honor to the victims of suicide bombing and we don't show pictures of them! But the other side, on the other hand, don't really give a damn about their own people and do everything to show they are hurt.

And if you ask me, the main diffrence between the people our soldiers kill between Israelis who are killed is that we don't aim for children, women or just anyone who didn't do a thing. We must somehow stop the terrorists among them! But they, sends suicide bombers to kill innocent people on purpose. DId you know they sent a suicde bomber to some school, but with luck we stopped him?
This is why we build the fence, we must somehow stop this, and they don't want in peaceful ways.
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« Reply #68 on: February 24, 2004, 10:03:59 pm »

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... don't really give a damn about their own people...


Why do you think that?
Who are you talking about?
Does it even make sense?

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Quick question -- Why did the fence route go through the middle of Palestinean territory?

Another quick question -- what do you know about Israeli settlements?
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« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2004, 10:25:10 pm »

Quick answer : Ask my prime minister, I am just glad there is one.
Another quick answer: Which one you refer to?
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« Reply #70 on: February 25, 2004, 03:55:09 am »

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Terror is bad, and those who do it are evil but so are those who use terror to further their own goals.


Terror is bad?
You an citizen of the United States?
If you've answered yes, congratulations! You're living in a country that was founded on terror!
The Puritans were kicked out of England because the rest of England feared them. Were they terrorists? Not in the political sense that's slapped to it these days, but back then they were.
If that's too far back in time for you, look at World War II and the Cold War. We used terror to further our own causes. (It's still in debate, but...)The gov't allowed the Pearl Harbor attacks, causing us terror. Hundreds died. Terror was soon followed with anger and anger meant retribution. That retribution came in Enola Gay.
Cold War: We used terror as much as the Soviets used terror to keep each other from firing our plethora of ICBM's at one another.
Even today, our politicians use fear to their advantage. John Kerry was quoted in the New York Times as saying the U.S. needed to "lay the hammer down" in Haiti. Since nothing has happened yet, I would say it was meant as a deterrent, with the fear of U.S. troops as it's primary purveyor.

Yes, I'm saying the U.S. uses terror tactics to get advantages. We always have, and always will.
Welcome to the real world.
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« Reply #71 on: February 25, 2004, 04:16:00 am »

So you say that sending suicide bombers to buses, schools, resturants and other crowded places is ok? Let me tell you are little story...

Did you know that after a suicide bomber explode, the surviving victims get in their flesh small parts of him. I mean real small parts. Smaller than hairs. And ofcourse no one will remove it since it requires a surgery and it doesn't really matters if it is there or not. What is so horrible about this? There was a terror strike on some place... I don't recall which one, but the point is that the suicide bomber had a disease, don't remember which one, but something that can kill you. Now they don't report it(we don't want to get ideas in their heads), but I am sure every suicide bombers they send has the same disease or HIV or such.

P.S: To any Israeli who reads this, I have two things to say:
A. Confirm me this story, I am sure in 90% that it is true, but I want to be 100%.
B. For the ones who fear they will read it and come up with ideas, don't worry. I am sure they don't have computers to read this. And even if they have, I don't think they play uqm.
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« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2004, 11:36:45 pm »

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Technically unless my memory is failing me at the time we knew the jap would strike didn't know when or where.  And also due to spending issues F.D.R. relocated the battleships his ancestor had T.R. built to Pearl Harbor to allow the building of more modern battleships (I guess it wasn't cost-effective or feasable to renovate then.)
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« Reply #73 on: February 26, 2004, 12:40:09 am »

Mr.Terminator no offense but I have two things to say to you:
1. I didn't create it, why did you say this to ME?
2. Anyone said there is a limit of pages for threads? People will post in it as long as they have something to say about it!

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Make it three: If you don't like this thread you don't have to read it or post in it. It is a free forum as far as I remember. I don't read every single thread in here and neither should you!(unless everything in here is intresting for you)
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« Reply #74 on: February 26, 2004, 01:19:23 pm »

Alrighty I think I understand what's going on.
The Palestinians are under occupation by Isreal so they keep sending suicide bombers and doing other generally nasty things, so the Israelis feel threatened and respond with nastiness of their own.

Now most 5 year olds would see that it's circular: you cant expect the Isrealis to be nice if they are bombed regularly and you cant expect the Palestinians to stop bombing if you keep building walls right through the middles of their houses and doing other Not So Nice Things.

Also an avarage 5 year old would see that such a problem can only be solved by peaceful negotiations because neither side will win by bombing the hell out of one another .

Since peaceful negotiations have failed misrebly I see only one solution:



NUKE 'EM!!!!!!
BOTH of them.

The general outcome is the same: ashes and dust. The only difference is that it would take much more time for Isrealis and Palestinians to do it on their own.

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Ladies and Gentlemen please don't take it TOO seriously.
I understand that the stiuation there is tragic. But I think it's tragic not only because of death of the innocent, it's tragic also because both sides are too stupid to calm down, have a chat and settle their differences in a civilised way.
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