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Re: A post of some minor importance follows:
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2003, 01:13:41 pm »

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Not around here they aren't... It's all 8.5"x11" (21cm x 28 cm) letter paper here.


Um, to the best of my knowledge, that's the definition of A4 paper.  It's called A4 in Europe and Asia and 8.5" x 11" (say: Eight-and-a-half by eleven) in North America, but it's functionally the same thing.  

Am I wrong?  I've been using them interchangeably for years.  (Note: born in Canada, live in Japan)
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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2003, 01:51:33 pm »

Ahha! So  I was right, and rthe A4 rules supreme! For your contribution to the thread, and my veneer of infalllibility I shall buy you a large pint of Guiness in our very own Starbase Café!
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Re: A post of some minor importance follows:
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2003, 05:51:23 pm »

Um, no. I've used A4 and 8 1/2 x 11 paper at the same time, and there is a slight difference. A4 is skinner and taller than 8 1/2 x 11. The advantage of A4 paper is that it uses the "golden proportions" so that when cut in half it maintains the same proportions, just in a different scale. This, by the way, is called A5 sized paper.
In America it's hard to get A4 paper. We just don't make anything easy in the states.
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Re: A post of some minor importance follows:
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2003, 06:03:04 pm »

Darn. No Guinness for SA then. Silly overseas people and their silly paper. Still the point still stands that some european whizkid could skan it in  A4 incements, and some overseas whizkid could scan it to howevermanyinches*whateveramountofinches. Or one person could do both, seeing as ity doesn't matter to the computer HOW you scan it, it only mattwers when you print it.
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Re: A post of some minor importance follows:
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2003, 08:40:30 pm »

IIRC, A0 paper is defined as a rectangular piece of paper in the proportions 1 : sqrt(2), with a surface area of 1 m^2.
A1 is half of that, A2 is half of A1, A3 is half of A2, and so on.
So:
A0 = 1.189 x 0.841
A1 = 0.841 x 0.595
A2 = 0.595 x 0.420
A3 = 0.420 x 0.297
A4 = 0.297 x 0.210
A5 = 0.210 x 0.149

Btw, this proportion is not the golden ratio, which is (1 + sqrt(5)) / 2, which is approximately 1.62, while the ratio for the A series is sqrt(2), which is approximately 1.41.

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Re: A post of some minor importance follows:
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2003, 08:42:12 pm »

Addition: I see that this is in fact an ISO standard, and you can find it at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html
Appearantly, the official sizes are rounded on one millimeter.

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Re: A post of some minor importance follows:
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2003, 03:16:55 am »

Old versions of the Jargon File noted that the POSIX standard was printed on A4 paper and was "known in the USA as 'the Ugly Red Book that Won't Fit on the Shelf' and in the Europe as 'the Ugly Red Book That's a Sensible Size.'"
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2003, 12:53:13 pm »

Most printers can't print on the entire surface of the paper (my old HP Deskjet won't even touch the bottom inch or so), so you'd have to leave some margins. So, you could scan full A4 pages, but with enough overlap to allow American and Canadian users to print to US Letter (which is a bit wider, but shorter).
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Re: A post of some minor importance follows:
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2003, 09:25:00 pm »

What's all this talk about scanning?  PNF already has a scanned version that's 2281x2710 pixels.  Just use GIMP or some other image editer to crop the pieces to the appropriate sizes...

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Even better, there's a zipfile named sc2map.zip that contains 4 high quality pngs already cropped enough for letter & A4 sizes (8.2inx9.4in / 20.9x24.1cm)
http://www.fileplanet.com/dl.aspx?/classicgaming/starcontrol/sc2/sc2map.zip
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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2003, 11:37:37 pm »

Americans have THEIR OWN PAPER SIZES?!

This is pure madness, I tell ya. Though I think I've seen a paper holemaker thingie which had two, almost equal sized slots. One for A4, and the other had some sort of a stupid acronym such as TIASA (this is a stupid acronym).
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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2003, 11:45:13 pm »

I find it amusing that several of my countrymen have never heard of US Letter. They have obviously not experienced the joys of printers screaming "LOAD LETTER" at you (which of course, you can't load as you don't have any). This usually indicates a configuration problem in the printer driver settings. Wink
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Re: A post of some minor importance follows:
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2003, 08:29:30 pm »

The best A4/letter troubles come in the academic world;  many Graduate students in the USA are from European or Asian countries, and they keep sending print jobs that expect A4 paper.  This makes the printer scream the opposite of Novus' example: "Load A4"  Then they keep replacing the letter sized paper with more letter sized paper.  Eventually, they give up and report a printer failure.  All they would have had to do would be to press "go" to make the printer think that Letter is A4.
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Re: A post of some minor importance follows:
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2004, 05:19:34 am »

I'm in the USA, and if I really wanted to, I could make my documents format for A4.  I wouldn't be able to print them afterwards, but the option is at least there...  I'm kind of surprised of people not having heard of Letter Paper.

(Legal paper is another thing entirely, and probably should be going into the dustbin with furlongs and slugs... no, wait, furlongs are still used for horse races...)
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Re: A post of some minor importance follows:
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2004, 08:16:33 pm »

I believe there is a menu item called "Page Setup". You can instruct the program to use arbitrary paper sizes. When entering the US, switch to US letter; when leaving, switch to A4.

If this is not available outside mac, I am astonished, and I laugh at the foolish systems which do not use it.
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