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NECRO-99
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I suppose you could get one and bring it with you considering the system only weighs about 8 tons (That is how much they really weigh)..
8 tons is nothing. Sherman tanks weigh about three times that. Remove the turret, replace it with a RADAR dish, all the mechanisms for reloading/shell storage could be used to contain the power system.
I disagree - This was about microwaves and its applications with weapons - I was putting forth a example.
Well, A microwave weapon would simply kill all life wherever it was pointed. A Daisy Cutter would kill all life wherever it was pointed and leave a huge crater, making the land unuseable, at least until the Army Engineers put all the dirt/tar/whatever back in the gaping hole...
No, a certain type of metal can take radar - and absorb it without turning hot.
What metal is that?
We do that with Kevlar - not to mention there would not need to be that much lead if we were to use it. Also Kevlar is fairly heavy.
You don't need "much" lead. 1 ppm in blood is all you need for low level lead posioning. High level is only 10 ppm. Symptoms of low level lead poisoning include:
Fatigue, Depression, Abdominal Pain, High Blood Pressure
Sypmtoms of high level lead poisoning include:
Joint Weakness, Gout, Kidney Failure and, finally, Heart Failure.
Taken from the DuPont website, the first company to produce Kevlar armor vests/helmets/gloves...
The power and protection comes packed at an extremely light weight, which provides both comfort and freedom of movement to those that wear KEVLARｮ.
Where are you getting your information?
What really happened was a baseball connected to the glass and cracked it. We called the company and lo and behold the thing did not work because it sensed the glass was fractured. (That is what he told us - We never tried it)
Just duct tape the hell out of it. It's safe...honest... 
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To continue this needless, but fun conversation here is what I have to say:
8 tons is nothing. Sherman tanks weigh about three times that. Remove the turret, replace it with a RADAR dish, all the mechanisms for reloading/shell storage could be used to contain the power system.
If you removed all the parts the gunnery parts from the sherman tank you would not have enough ROOM (and maybe weight too, I am not sure) to put in a power system powerful enough to work for the type of powerful Radar you are talking about.
Well, A microwave weapon would simply kill all life wherever it was pointed. A Daisy Cutter would kill all life wherever it was pointed and leave a huge crater, making the land unuseable, at least until the Army Engineers put all the dirt/tar/whatever back in the gaping hole...
A radar that powerful will also destry more than life. Think about it. A microwave heats up your food by making WATER molecules move. Now lots of things have water in them - not just living things. (Including what was my head )
What metal is that?
You don't need "much" lead. 1 ppm in blood is all you need for low level lead posioning. High level is only 10 ppm. Symptoms of low level lead poisoning include:
Fatigue, Depression, Abdominal Pain, High Blood Pressure
Sypmtoms of high level lead poisoning include:
Joint Weakness, Gout, Kidney Failure and, finally, Heart Failure.
A answer to both those questions. In the USA Airplane category there are planes that are made and "painted" of stuff that repels and absorbs radar and radar waves with out heating up.
Taken from the DuPont website, the first company to produce Kevlar armor vests/helmets/gloves...
Where are you getting your information?
From personal experience - Have you ever been fully decked out in that stuff?
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Allright, my last crank before I get shot for Off Topic Violations.
If you removed all the parts the gunnery parts from the sherman tank you would not have enough ROOM (and maybe weight too, I am not sure) to put in a power system powerful enough to work for the type of powerful Radar you are talking about.
So, build a slightly larger, less mobile treaded vehicle that can accomodate it. The Sherman was a flimsy example, I'll admit that.
A radar that powerful will also destry more than life. Think about it. A microwave heats up your food by making WATER molecules move. Now lots of things have water in them - not just living things. (Including what was my head)
Think of it this way. What do you think will take less time: Letting water molecules cool down, or filling in a huge earthen scar left by a Daisy Maker? Also, water boils, true, but other substances probably have a higher heat resistance than humans/other fleshy things. I know all fauna, not to mention flora, would be toast, but the basic ground structure would stay intact. I bet you don't need to boil a human for long to kill it. 
A answer to both those questions. In the USA Airplane category there are planes that are made and "painted" of stuff that repels and absorbs radar and radar waves with out heating up.
A: Stealth fighters/bombers employ RADAR Absorbent Material (RAM), true, but the main reason they cannot be detected is due to their angular shape. The RADAR cannot bounce back enough of it's beams to it's reciever, therefore gleaning no signal. (The whole angular thing is why I said NOT to use tinfoil, its really good at sending microwaves all alstray.
B: At that range, RADAR waves don't heat things up. You want to paint all the infantry with RAM? Read http://[Allright, my last crank before I get shot for Off Topic Violations.
[quote]If you removed all the parts the gunnery parts from the sherman tank you would not have enough ROOM (and maybe weight too, I am not sure) to put in a power system powerful enough to work for the type of powerful Radar you are talking about.[/quote]
So, build a slightly larger, less mobile treaded vehicle that can accomodate it. The Sherman was a flimsy example, I'll admit that.
[quote]A radar that powerful will also destry more than life. Think about it. A microwave heats up your food by making WATER molecules move. Now lots of things have water in them - not just living things. (Including what was my head)[/quote]
Think of it this way. What do you think will take less time: Letting water molecules cool down, or filling in a huge earthen scar left by a Daisy Maker? Also, water boils, true, but other substances probably have a higher heat resistance than humans/other fleshy things. I know all fauna, not to mention flora, would be toast, but the basic ground structure would stay intact. I bet you don't need to boil a human for long to kill it. :P
[quote]A answer to both those questions. In the USA Airplane category there are planes that are made and "painted" of stuff that repels and absorbs radar and radar waves with out heating up. [/quote]
A: Stealth fighters/bombers employ slight RADAR dispersal paint, true, but the main reason they cannot be detected is due to their angular shape. The RADAR cannot bounce back enough of it's beams to it's reciever, therefore gleaning no signal. (The whole angular thing is why I said NOT to use tinfoil, its really good at sending microwaves all alstray.
B: At that range, RADAR waves don't heat things up. You want to paint all the infantry with microwave-resistant paint? Taken from the Argos Press, [url]http://www.argospress.com/Resources/radar/radarabsorbmateri.htm
The disadvantages of radar absorbent material include additional weight, expense, heating problems and aerodynamic drag (if applicable).
It's heavier than Kevlar would ever be, costly, and the soldiers will die from heat stroke before they'd ever even encounter one of my theoretical RADAR Tanks.
From personal experience - Have you ever been fully decked out in that stuff?
From "fully decked out", I'll take it you mean a helmet, a vest, leggings, and I'll assume forearm bracers and boots as well.
(Take a wild guess if I have been.) It's not that heavy, but it gets hot when you're running around and sweating.
OK, no more arguing here, or we're both liable to get pillow'd to hell and back.
Yes, explore space. Space is good. Too many hunams for this little rock. Colonize the moon. Then Mars. Then Alpha Centauri. Oh wait, we'd roast there. Nevermind.
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As fun as this conversation/argument has been - I think your right. One more post and then we will be sent to mars by pillows.
As for your futuristic RADAR tank - Welll its got some major problems, but if you correct them and send it to the military you might be rich!  .
As for the real topic of this thread it will be interesting to see if NASA will agree to it and if the program will get enough funding.
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I presume this would be due to the sun being in the way? We would definitely want a relay at one of the relevant Lagrange points to keep contact.
[/quote]What has me confused is that you differentiated between pulsed laser and whatever other form of communication would take 8 hours. What is this slower medium?[/quote]
Currently we are using radiowaves to talk fwith our astronauts.
These radiowaves are travelling slower than light. (Beat me if i am wrong - pillow prefered) If we'd use a pulsed laser (digital signal), the signal could be transmitted a lot faster, but we also need direct (or relayed) contact.
But i am wrong nontheless. It wouldn't be eight hours. I just got that out of my head. But nontheless it is difficult to have a discussion with someone if the delay is bigger than 10 minutes.
Oh, and I bet that exactly for the reasons you say, for such a long voyage we won't be sending two or three people -- we'll be sending enough to form a small community (8 or more). That alleviates the situation of the guy in Mir, who had no more than two companions for any stretch of time. If two people stop liking each other, they can realistically stop talking for a while without the entire place breaking down. The more we send - the bigger the ships needs to be, the higher the costs get.
And the poor Kosmonaut on the mir was alone (the other 2 were token down, the sojus-capsule was meant to be sent back up there within 1 week and 2 replacements. But the money got scraped, the capsule got damaged and it took the russions about 4 months to send 2 newones up there, and this sojus capsule was meant for 1 to go back to earth (designed differetly, couldn't take 2 down due to weight problems). And he had to send one of the two newcomers back, due to a severe illness the chinese (?) kosmonaut developed up there.
Nontheless - i am a SciFi Fan, and thus i hope that humankind will construct a (permanent) moonbase during my lifetime (at least start the construction).
Enjoy!
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NASA stops the repairs and support missions to the hubble-telescope. It will burn in our atmosphere between 2006 and 2007. Damned!
The official declaration says, they need the shuttles for the construction of the ISS (i do believe them, but why not start an additional mission?).
That's what i hate: the Hubble brings far more knwoledge about space to us than interplanetary travel (at least at this point of knowledge). Maybe i have to revise this when some Vulcan-kind of people contact us after they find out that we are able to fly to another planet.
Enjoy!
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Dammit, that hit with the pillow was necessary.
Now i remember my fault: i messed up with the speed of sound.
Dammit.
I'll just stand here for 5 minutes. Just slap me with yer pillows.
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As the Hubble ages, its quality is diminishing. Also, it has looked at many of the things we would want to look at with the resolution it offers. To go further, it would be nicer to look at some of the more interesting things we've already looked at with a better telescope, than to look at more different things with the same resolution.
Such a better telescope is due to be lifted in 2012.
Of course, not having a six year gap between Hubble and the next telescope would be really nice.
btw: pillow slap to the chest.
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The lens in the hubble is designed to focus onto the back of the hubble, meaning that the focus would never reach earth; in fact, light from the lens would be less intense than real sunlight; nothing like our vast mirror array on the moon. That can fry a city in 12 minutes (only on a full moon though).
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Perhaps one of our larger aircraft could carry it?