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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2004, 06:41:35 pm »

Doh.  I'd always thought the affinity for "the Precursors built it" as an explanation came from Legend, not TFB.  Then again, maybe it's because Legend over-used it to the point of irresponsibility.

My own personal theory about the Mycon involved them being constructed by one of the Sentient Milieu races, which could have explained their affinity for the Ur-Quan, among other things.  I guess that line of reasoning has absolutely no weight now...  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2004, 07:42:53 pm »

It just hit me!

Maybe the precurser had a conflict among themself how to deal with an evil race and one side chose to be "cows" for the rest of their lives and the other chose to be "not" advancing race(they don't develop)?
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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2004, 07:52:23 pm »

Actually, if their orbit is 0.8 a.u., that does not mean that the orbital period is 0.8 years.

What is it?
Start with gravitation and uniform circular motion...

GM/rr = A = wwr
divide by the radius, and forget about acceleration
ww = GM/rrr
square root...
w = root<GM/rrr>
move from angular frequency to period...
(w = angular frequency = 2<pi>/ T  = 2<pi>f)
T = 2<pi> root<rrr/GM>

So, the orbital period varies as the three-halves power of the radius. Just on that, it goes to 0.71 earth years.

However, it also depends on the mass of the star. If it's a heavier star, the orbit will be faster, with the period as its inverse square root.

Within the category of dwarfs, the hotter stars (blue, green, yellow) are heavier. I would have to look up the mass relation to color, but this is enough to see which direction it varies from there.
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2004, 10:31:13 pm »

So basicly a Mycon year on that planet is somewhere between 0.7 and 0.8 of our years. So Dugee was beween 38,000 and 45,000 years old.
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2004, 07:25:24 pm »

Unless their sun is heavier than ours, in which case the period is shorter still.
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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2004, 11:29:23 pm »

About the difference between mycon and human 'years'... I would assume that the ship's translator-computer automatically translates their time-units into ours. And I think that the word 'year' doesn't mean the time that it takes for 'a' planet to circle around sun, only the time it takes for earth. A year is a specified amount of seconds and therefore the same everywhere. The mycon homeplanet rotation is "0.8 years".

Surely *time* could have been different 100.000 years ago, but still...

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2004, 02:57:06 am »

Not everyone bases a year on seconds; that's a _very_ new idea.  Some people still base a year on number of full-moons or other astronomical signs.  Unless the aliens say:  "X decays of a cesium isotope", it's hard to know what the translator heard (of course the translator might use the planetary readings to determine what the alien meant by years by assuming that a year is one solar revolution).
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2004, 04:08:40 pm »

Each Mycon is *not* necessarily who it says it is. Don't forget the Mycon have genetic memories. Surely you remember each time they attack you they say something like "my ancestors blah blah inside me". This is also a based fact from conversations with the Mycon (can't quote right now, sorry).

so even if a Mycon says it's age is 57K years, you wouldn't know if that's the true age of all Mycon (oh wait, are you asking about the life span of a Mycon or the race's age?)

The race should've existed for over 265,000 earth years, as it rises from the conversations with the Slylandro (according to the new Drahn calculation).

I enjoyed reading that calculation after our first and interesting attempt (here here).

However, this new calculation misses in about 10,000 earth years off the time the Brown Ur-Quan existed, some 30,000 earth years ago. the Slylandro say the Brown Ur-Quan used to visit them up until 3 drahns ago. According to the new calculation that would be about 6460*3 = 19,380 earth years, where the Ur-Quan distinctly say they've been mentally compulsed about 30,000 earth years ago (again, here).

How do you explain that?
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2004, 02:35:43 pm »

Okay, the Mycon seem to be fungid. Therefor every Mycon we see can be several hundreds of personalities. Some of them are originally programmed, some seem to be quite free-minded.
We do not know Who is speaking to us, except if He/She/It tells us who he is, or if we hear the original creators/programmers "LOOK - THINK - ACT - LOOK - LEARN - REMEMBER - LOOK - THINK" (not the precise quote) mumbling the general learning directive.
BTW: The Mycon are programmed to learn by doing. But this programming routine needs quite some time to do the job the Mycon chose to do.
Maybe some Governments on this world should be implanted with this routine. That would prvent some problems on this earth.

Another thing: time is very relative. It could simply be that memories are wrong (Slylandro remembering brown Ur-Quan 3 Drahns ago, could be nearly four or even five Drahn by now).
Regarding the Translator scanning Myconplanets to recalculate the amount of years: How could the translator do that in Deep Space?
And since i've read the excerpt of the creators chat (thanks Meep-Eep), Dugee could be the precursor scientist sitting over his creation and mumbling in his beard the rules he still has to program. Could be that Dugee was not aware that his creation has reached consciousness already.
Dugees' job as purity monitor must have been the implanting of the right memories to prevent the Mycon becoming destructive like they are now.

And since the creators chat quote, an answer to my question has been given: the birth of the race mycon is somewhere in the precursor time.
That leaves another question: Are the Mycon completly artificial (genetically build from the scrap), or did the Precursor find a rare lifeform and breed it to their needs (with minor genetical modifications)? I think this should remain unanswered for a while...

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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2004, 06:19:41 pm »

I know this is a SC3 idea - but I am using it as a example. Lets say the the Precursors were trying to make the Mycon. Well the had to experiment and so they experiment on another race to gain experience   for making the mycon. So it makes sense that the mycon were a race that the Precursors modified through DNA. Ok -That was a pretty wild idea, but I will let it stay.
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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2004, 09:16:00 pm »

So, what you're saying is that the Mycon are actually not the terraforming creatures, but just a discarded alpha version?
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2004, 09:19:13 pm »

Yes, one that they let live because they wanted to study it. But then when the Precursor "went away" in a hurry they decided not to destroy the Mycon. That means that there is a "better" version of the mycon somewhere else in the universe. (Like I said - this is a wild idea)
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2004, 09:24:51 pm »

That just sparked a thought:  if the Mycon are a discarded alpha version of terraforming biots, and the rainbow worlds are really garbage dumps, and if the MmrnMhrm are really Precursor creations that are broken, then this galaxy might be one big Precursor dump where they toss all their non-valuables like the obviously malfunctioning Sa-Matra.  Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2004, 09:27:56 pm »

O - Plot idea - You have to go to the glactic core to find the  the best of the real sa-matra's!!! - That would be a pretty nice ship.

Note: I am not even considering the Sa-Matra in UQM to be "real" After all, since this place is a dump, what are the other ships look like!

Of course that brings up the point of what the precursors think of us!
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2004, 09:37:41 pm »

For more discussion about the Mycon
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