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Age of Mycon
« on: February 04, 2004, 07:19:28 pm »

Okay, we know that the Sentient Milieu lived around this region some 25,000 years ago.
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Almost twenty-five thousand of your years ago, there existed near this region of space
an association of starfaring races called the `Sentient Milieu'.

Now we learn that
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I am Dugee
I am the purity monitor
I choose what buds are permitted to mature
and which must be eradicated
I died of general misfunction 57,283 years ago.

, so we learned that the Mycon are older than the Ur-Quan are in space.
How did they evade this destruction the reign of the Dnyarri imposed onto the galaxy? Were they luckily hiding, or were they still okay in programming and doing something else? If if they were around and harmless, wouldn't such a "terraforming tool" or whatever they are/were raise suspect and the urge to gather new technological information?

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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2004, 07:23:08 pm »

Remember they were precursor tools at the time. My guess is that at the time of the Dnyarri's reign their "program" was still intact. Therefore they were non-sentient. Which means that they could not be mind controlled. And since at the ttime they were not nuts the Dnyarri thought it would take to much time and a waste of engery to kill them.

Only other theory I have regarding that is maybe the mycon were in a different place?    
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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2004, 07:52:57 pm »

Well precursors: that's SC3-theory.

I do not believe the Mycon came from elsewhere:

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What makes this world so special to you?
Juffo-Wup is the power of life... hot warmth in the cold Void.
It flows through all things, binding them together, making them one.
You are Non-Juffo-Wup, you cannot understand.
Below is the pod of Juffo-Wup -- there for a thousand centuries.
When we are cold, the pod opens and warms us.
When it is dark, the pod clenches and lo, there is light.
You are the Non. The pod is not for you. You must leave.

And they tell you twice that Juffo-Qup springs forth from (coordinates of Mycon Homeworld).

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(I'll fix the quotes in a minute)
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2004, 07:58:26 pm »

Oops - That was from SC3 when the mycon were the precursors tools. Oops -  :-/ Anyway  The "pod" it is talking about is the sun device, correct? When you take the sun device then what happens to the Mycon?
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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2004, 08:03:31 pm »

And shouldn't the mycon SOI be a lot bigger by now, if they re so old? Especially at their reproduction rate (see starmaps during SC1-wars and during SC2) or see quote:
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Your simple sexual process produces random mosaics of genetic instructions
yet with the simplicity of breath, I modify my own patterns
You humans improve a tool and double your capabilities
We Mycon improve ourselves and increase a thousand-fold.


I believe, the mycon were supposed to stay in the shrine with the sun-device. For some malfucntion (or purpose), the shrine opened and revived the Mycon / let them free, and they seeked their creators (in SC2 the Umgah tell you that the Mycon are artificial). Apparently, the creators came from the source of Juffo-Wup, now the homeworld of the Mycon.

Far-fetched theory:
The Mycon were created by the Precursors. The Precursors had them in the shrine with the Sun-Device. The Job of the Mycon was to await the return of the Preursors, and if the planet of the Precursors becomes inhabitable, to return there and keep it alive. To have enough sun-like energy to be able to do so, even if the sun went out, they got the sun-device.

This could be a sequel-idea.

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2004, 10:21:01 pm »

The Precursor theory doesn't stem from SC3; SC3 used it because so many people thought of that when they first played the game (My "aha!" moment was when they started talking about terraforming biots).  How long can a Deep-child remain dormant in a planets mantle?  Maybe it wasn't until recently that the Mycon started genetically engineering accelerated-growth deep children, and that they used to take hundreds of thousands of years to mature.

Plus, this region of space had only one Mileu member:  the Taalo.  Presumably the Ur-Quan never made it into the Mycon sphere of influence before.  The most recent belief forum-wide is that the Ur-Quan's first Doctrinal war was on the far side of the galaxy.

A thousand centuries: 100,000 years.  Perhaps the Mycon discovered the Sun device at this time.  It's 100,000 years after the Precursors left.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2004, 11:56:35 pm »

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 It's 100,000 years after the Precursors left.


Which only proves more that they have a connection to the precursers.
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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2004, 11:59:51 pm »

In space, years are subjective. He could be talking in terms of years of those hot, close-to-the-star planets that Mycon like. In which case 57,000 of those years may be less than 15,000 terran years.

probably not the answer, but worth pointing out
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2004, 12:02:29 am »

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In space, years are subjective. He could be talking in terms of years of those hot, close-to-the-star planets that Mycon like. In which case 57,000 of those years may be less than 15,000 terran years.

probably not the answer, but worth pointing out


True. And another point: So much time have passed, maybe *time* "rate" has changed.
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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2004, 01:15:16 am »

In the interests of being extraordinarily pedantic, The Mycon do explicitly use the term "Earth years" during some conversations, so any time they do not expressly state "Earth years", one could assume they mean "Mycon years".

As a curiosity, I moved the Mycon out of the way of their homeworld so that I could scan it and see how long one of their "years" was (in the same vein as was done with the Slylandro when attempting to figure out how long a "drahn" was).  If the same attention to detail was applied with the Mycon homeworld as was ostensibly applied to the Slylandro homeworld, there's quite a bit of interest here:



As you can see, a Mycon "year" (one rotation around their sun) is 0.8 Earth years, which means Dugee, the purity monitor died approximately 45,826 Earth years ago.  As he does not mention whether or not the Mycon were spacefaring at the time of his death, however, it may or may not impact the assertions made thus far.

Also of note is that the average surface temperature of the Mycon homeworld is only 100C, far less than the "melting point of lead" temperatures at which they supposedly thrive.  One could infer from this that there are very few places on the Mycon homeworld that are habitable even to them.

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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2004, 02:52:45 am »

Nice research, but do all "shattered worlds" have the same details? (This time, the year)
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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2004, 05:02:06 am »

Er...well, sorry to be the one that brings this up, but can anyone vouch that Mr. Purity monitor wasn't also a complete and total liar?

I have to say, that when any being sitting in front of me claims that it died 57,283 years ago, suddenly the rest of it's claims become...y'know, highly suspect.

As far as we know, Dugee WAS a precursor.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2004, 05:13:07 am »

Well - I guess since all the other make claims at about the same age than they are SLIGHTLY creditible. Also remember that these guys had they memorys inplanted on their offspring. So it is possible for it to happen. However it is also possible that it/she/he is a complete and total liar.
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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2004, 05:20:43 am »

Nic, I think the Mycon can live at any temperature, they just like heat the best; they probably crowd around the vulcanic fumeroles.
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Re: Age of Mycon
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2004, 01:56:18 pm »

The Mycon being precursor tools is not SC3 specific.
From some creators chat (see PNF):
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<_Stilgar> <Etherea|> Fwiffo: Were the Mycon in your mind simply the insane fungus rewriting the memories of the sentient Deep Children like in SC3? They gave them a stupid religious fanatic look, IHO, which seemed too simple for the potential they had in SC2... what was your idea of the Mycon?
<Fwiffo> The Mycon were biological tools of the Precursors.  They had been programmed for terraforming, but when the Precursors vanished, the Mycons were left unattended.  Over the following millenia, their programs drifted, forming the worship of Juffo-Wup.

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