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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2004, 12:44:23 am »

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---- REPORT FROM SURFACE ----
XENO-HISTORIAN KILGORE HERE, SIR. WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THESE RUINS ARE THE REMNANTS OF THE ANDROSYNTH CULTURE. FROM THE MASS DESTRUCTION WE HAVE WITNESSED, WE CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF HUGE LAND WAR HERE WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS; HOWEVER, THERE IS NO, REPEAT, NO SIGNS OF ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT OR INVASION FROM SPACE... JUST A WHOLE MESS OF BUILDINGS SHOT TO PIECES. PROBABLY THE WEIRDEST THING WE HAVE SEEN, OR NOT SEEN, ARE CORPSES... THERE AREN'T ANY! IT'S AS THOUGH SOMETHING APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE, BLASTED EVERYTHING WITH NUCLEAR BAZOOKAS, THEN GRABBED ALL THE ANDROSYNTH AND DISAPPEARED.
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Notice it says very clearly - NO signs of orbital bomdbardment?


Technically yes, but remember the Ur-Quan enslave races for the sole purpose of saving them,  what the andosynth found might have been a bigger threat to this goal and sought to cover it up.  If this assumption holds true the synth are not dead, but mere serving the Ur-Quan Sciences or Serving as crew for their Dreadnoughts.  As to Orbital bombardment  they could have blasted from a very low orbit (say the lower atmosphere) or used robots with self-anniation circuits to nuke the planet.

EDIT: I know I'm pushing the envelope, but at least consider the possibility.
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2004, 01:06:24 am »

What may have happened there is that the Orz didn't attack with ships, they used thousands of their marines for a ground operation. I would say that the Orz are probably evil on the basis that they decide to kill you off just for asking what happened to the Androsynth.
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2004, 01:58:22 am »

Fred said there are no Androsynth -- only Orz. Therefore, we can deduce that there are no Androsynth on Dreadnaughts or in the sciences division of Kzer-Za central.
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2004, 02:06:41 am »

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What may have happened there is that the Orz didn't attack with ships, they used thousands of their marines for a ground operation. I would say that the Orz are probably evil on the basis that they decide to kill you off just for asking what happened to the Androsynth.



Are you saying that the Orrz just released the marines in space and let them take over the cities by ground? Well, I really don't think that the marines suits can stadn rentry. I mean, the US lost a shuttle during rentry. So it is farfetched to say that the Orz marines suits could take WHILE being shot at. And besides, some of the androsyn could have hid and escaped and later died. The lander crew would have found their bodies.

Anyhow I just see holes in that theory.


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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2004, 02:12:53 am »

Or, the Orz could be good, they could have been, as the first poster mentioned, hunting *them* (some unknown ID species).  The 'Synth accidentally release *them* through their experiments with ID travel, and a war happens - the Orz, hot on the trail of *them*, pop out, and see that *they* have gotten pretty close to claiming this world.  Rather than letting *them* spread through this universe (of which the Orz haven't been to before), they send down marines and....sterilize the planet.  They are upset with the 'Synth for attracting *them*, and the species known as *they* might be able to track someone if they know anything about *them*; the Arilou's "Nngh" could be the same species, and the Arilou don't want to reveal anything to us about it, because then we'd be revealed to that race, much like the Orz don't want to talk about the 'Synth, or *them*, for fear that *they* will come and attack us.
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2004, 08:09:11 pm »

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Are you saying that the Orrz just released the marines in space and let them take over the cities by ground?


If the IDF experiments were on the ground, maybe that's where the marines showed up.
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2004, 02:36:52 am »

I still prefer my old idea... The sinth became infected with something that came through the portal and the Orz wiped out the sinth to keep it from spreading. And the reason they kill you if you ask about the sinth to much is because you will become infected if you DO find out what happened... like the guy on the sinth homeworld.
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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2004, 03:32:01 am »

But you notice that Buwolski isn't *pulled* or "wiped out" by the Orz. If he can see them, they can see him, and yet nothing happens. He just gets cut up bad and screams alot.
If indeed, this idea of yours was true, why would the benevolent (*chuckle* Roll Eyes) Orz not end Buwolski's suffering as well?
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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2004, 08:06:41 am »

There are several possibilitys... (1) You leave the area before the orz notice. (2) Because earthlings are all different they don't all smell alike and the orz detirmine that the infection will not spread because the guy will die first and won't have a chance to pass along the dangerous information. (3) The parisites have learned to mask their *smell* from the orz so the orz don't notice. (4) The orz do notice and kill him later.   (5)He dies before the orz notice. (6) One infection is not enough for the orz to notice. And any number of other possibilitys I haven't thought of yet...
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« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2004, 08:30:50 am »

I like Brain's/Xlorep's (same person?) theory.
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2004, 01:28:22 pm »

I came up with another theory don't immediately ignore it.  Suppose Their experiments in IDF caused an unforeseen result say per chance it accelerated time in the Velpeculae Star Cluster to a spectacular degree and since time is distorted hyperspace travel is impossible with their equipment unless within the range of distortion so relativelly  speaking in what was 10 years to the rest of space could be 10 million years to the androsynth.  The Androsynth evoulved into the Orz and the Orz wiped out the remaining Androsynth as we human proably wiped out the primates.  
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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2004, 07:19:47 pm »

A) we haven't wiped out the primates.

B) Don't you think some androsynth would want to leave their system some time in the next hundred million years, and be able to do so?

C) it would take a heck of a lot more than a hundred million years to transform a human clone into an ethanol-breathing interdimensional fish.

D) wouldn't the team notice that the weathering on the Androsynth cities was a million times stronger than expected?
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2004, 10:35:54 pm »

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You leave the area before the orz notice

Uh, I thought Buwolski was "noticed" due to the immense amounts of cuts and his inherent screaming about ghosts and "them".

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Because earthlings are all different they don't all smell alike and the orz detirmine that the infection will not spread because the guy will die first and won't have a chance to pass along the dangerous information.

The Orz aren't that stupid. If this theory was true, they would've killed him because they'd know from fighting off the Androsynth that humans are a wee-bit more resilient than to just be slashed up a few times and die.

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The parisites have learned to mask their *smell* from the orz so the orz don't notice.

Then the Orz would probably realize that and try to find a new way to detect this "infection".

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The orz do notice and kill him later.

Why wouldn't they kill him right away? You notice your crew never drops either. Don't try to blame combat deaths for his, either Tongue

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He dies before the orz notice.

He doesn't. Crew doesn't drop.

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One infection is not enough for the orz to notice.

If the Orz were so "universally minded" as you portray them as, they'd try to wipe out all cases of this 'infection' ASAP. It's like saying, "Oh, one case of the Black Plague isn't anything to worry about." You're eating your own words here.

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And any number of other possibilitys I haven't thought of yet...

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Suppose Their experiments in IDF caused an unforeseen result say per chance it accelerated time in the Velpeculae Star Cluster to a spectacular degree...

Current theories of IDF show only a tear of space in the time/space continum. Why would it? All you're doing is wormholing two places in *space* together.

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The Androsynth evoulved into the Orz...

Note that this would take a dramatic shift in the planet's geophyiscal makeup. Dramatic changes usually = extinction.

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...and the Orz wiped out the remaining Androsynth...

I don't even believe in evolution, but I know that the concept is that it occurs throughout an entire race simultaneously as the next generation is born. You're saying there'd still be Androsynth when the Orz "evolved".

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...as we human proably wiped out the primates.

Why the hell would we wipe out primates?

I think we need to make a kiddie table like the SC Forum has, and Terminator and Orz Brain need to go sit at it. At least get your arguments into such a position that they do not contradict themselves or seem generally stupid. Until this time, remain at the kiddie table. Thank you.
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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2004, 05:35:57 am »

Thanks for the support.
At least I keep all the out-landish comments in one place be thankful for that, It least u seriously read it and didn't blow it of.
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« Reply #29 on: February 29, 2004, 06:05:03 am »

The androsynth did not evolve into the orz.   Speciation does not eliminate the original species, nor is it that abrupt.

The possibilities are:

1.  The Orz have killed/eaten/destroyed the androsynth and taken their place.
2.  Something else from the Orz dimension either killed the androsynth or pulled them into the Orz dimension.   The Orz moved into the empty planets.

Incidentally, I tried pestering the Orz about the androsynth, and wow, that red effect was scary.   Almost wet myself in mortal terror.
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