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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2004, 12:59:21 am »

I don't follow christianity word for word, but I do believe in what if stands for. I think that even the christian definition of marriage should be updated.

But christianity isn't really the issue, since legal and relious marriages are different.
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2004, 07:32:34 am »

Chrispy mentioned that he believed marriage had to do with love; well, that's religious marriage.  Legal marriages are about a contractual bond, one which can be broken with minimal (comparitively) repercussions.  A cleric will generally counsel a couple before marriage, making sure that they truelly are ready to make a commitment to the ones they love.  A "justice of the peace" probably does not (no experience in this matter).

Legal marriages arose because the State (whatever government) decided that there was a good reason for marriage, and I doubt it was just to get form-handling fees from the already existing religious marriages.  What were their reasons?
The ancient Greeks seemed tolerant of homosexuals in their society; did they have such marriages?  Did they have Legal marriages (considering everyone was supposed to worship the greek gods anyway)?

Some people have suggested doing away with Legal marriages since they are contributing to the high-divorce rate.  IMO, this would kill two birds with one stone.  What say you?
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2004, 10:51:31 am »

I sayeth: What about the atheists?
I know that many decide to take religous marrige anyway (to show the love to their other half that often is not atheist for example) but beeing forced to it would complicate matters, not to mention it would be just plain wrong.

The same goes for marriges of people of different religions. I dont know how it is in the States, but in Poland you have to go through hell of a lot of trouble to marry a catholic-eastern couple for example (despite the fact that they are both christian).

There's one more thing. In a religous marrige the Church might impose rules to which some people wouldn't agree even if they belive in the god the mentioned church worships (warships?).

Now in a legal marrige, there are no rules and no limits (except for gender I guess... and age sometimes... but that's beside the point) . A couple gets married and the rest is up to them, they decide the rules they want to go by and what they want to belive.

As for the divorce rate, tell me which is better: a high number of divorces or a high number of couples beating or cheating on each other.
Besides the problem is not the ease of getting a divorce, but the people themselves. You wont change the way they think, and you wont force them to be happy. If you make it impossible to have divorce then they will find other ways of showing their antipathy to each other (like the above mentioned beating and cheating).
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2004, 11:24:08 am »

I would say that Terminator is nary too bright, but he de facto says it all the time.

Legal benefits for married couples do not only include things like tax breaks. If I were to get in a car accident and be in critical condition in the hospital, only family could get in to see me. Therefor, my hypothetical same-gender boyfriend of 15 years would not be able to visit me.
I believe that the 700+ benefits for being married (in Mass. anyways) are a bit excessive, however.
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2004, 05:29:40 pm »

I'd like to take a second to point out that a number of European countries have had legalized homosexual marriage for years now. I think the Dutch started
the trend in the 1980s. Now, most of north-west Europe lets gays wed.
They're doing just fine. People have gotten over the idea and not a whole
lot has changed as a result. Perhaps it's long over-due that we're following
suit.
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2004, 11:25:19 pm »

All this taking ideas from Europe, next we'll be trying to adopt the Metric System... oh, the horror!</sarcasm>

(edited to clarify that this was a joke on the slippery slope argument)
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2004, 12:39:07 am »

I, being Canadian, have the metric system and I can tell you that it is awsomely easy.

1cm3=1 liter
1 liter of water has a mass of 1 gram

short cuts like that are all over the metric system. no math involved.
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2004, 06:24:52 am »

Arizona and Indiana would switch to daylight savings time sooner than the U.S. officially adopting the metric system. Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2004, 06:44:35 pm »

Not a fan of the metric system?
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2004, 09:44:13 pm »

I know I sound like I don't know what I'm talking about I'm a defect of my own location, Typically americans have a very shallow-thrid-world view of the rest of the world.

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I, being Canadian, have the metric system and I can tell you that it is awsomely easy.

1cm3=1 liter
1 liter of water has a mass of 1 gram

short cuts like that are all over the metric system. no math involved.


Actually all scientific communities have adopted the metric system so all results will yeild the same conclusion. and secondly the metric system was designed with water as it's base 1ML of water weigh one gram a liter of water weighs about 2 or 3 pounds 1ml of water is one gram so hence it's density is 1.0 at least pure H20 is.

I know I sound like I don't know what I'm talking about I'm a defect of my own location, Typically americans have a very shallow-thrid-world view of the rest of the world.

Converting to the metric system would be no easy task see that most ameriacns hate change.  Hypothetically speaking if it did get approved all measurements would have to be changed automobile, lumber and the DOT would be affected do u have any idea how many road signs we have that say 50mph or road work 100ft? It would be at least a 10 year process

EDIT: I know my grammar sucks but u get the point don't u?
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2004, 10:03:20 pm »

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Converting to the metric system would be no easy task see that most americans hate change.

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Well, as a American I have seen at least three instances were important people try to change the USA to metric. All of them failed, or a better term, did not succeed the way it was meant to. The programs to change America to metric that were funded by the goverment did not get very far either. Why, when asked, the leader of the goverment paid group trying to change America to metric did not know his one height in metric. He knew his one height in inches though.

Though when you think about it, metric does make sense. 0 C being freezing and 100 be boiling. However, people who say it is easy have probaly learned the metric system first. I did not learn it first and thus I have a easier time with the "conventional" system. So just be careful when you say the metric is easier.  






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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2004, 03:24:26 am »

At what point did this thread jump from gay marriage to a debate on
americans and the metric system?
I guess the connection is that Americans are behind the times on both.

Embrace the kilogram and the queer, my southern brothers. You'll be
happier when you do.
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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2004, 03:48:30 am »

I have no problem with discussing both.

The metric system was designed to be easier, but changing to it would be no easy task. I think amarica is already slowly changing, and that is the best way.
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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2004, 05:35:44 am »

Being as gay as a loon and supportive of equity, there can only be one answer for one such as I.  I honestly believe people should be able to do as they choose; of course, I'm not so sure about marraige myself, I don't think I'd like it but the lack of the option is a bit of an inequitous slap in the face.

As for the metric system and the rest of it, being in Britain, parts of my homeland have possessed such a system for a while now and yea, I doubt it will be long before something else comes along to replace it.  Things grow, things change and adapt.  Adaption is life, without it there's only stagnation, people sitting around bored and wondering what they're going to do with themselves today and stuff.  Stagnation usually tends to not be favoured by the process of evolution.  Change is good, as literally, change is life.

Besides, fresh ideas are always fun.
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