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Re: The passion of the christ
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2004, 08:34:55 pm »

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(At the same time the jews were casting lots for his clothes).

That was the roman soldiers:
matthew 27:35-36 And when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots; then they sat down and kept watch over him there.
luke 23:34 And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." And they cast lots to divide his garments.

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Crossbows were first used in Europe shortly before 1200 AD, perhaps brought back from China by traders. So Roman soldiers would have stuck with their shortbows.

Random historical info: The Pope at the time wanted to ban crossbows in warfare because they were so easy to use and could kill through armor.
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2004, 08:36:58 pm »

The jews cast lots for his clothes. The romans were jsut there to do a task.
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2004, 08:42:53 pm »

Then you have an extremely different interpretation of the statements above.  The use of three identical pronouns without an identifying noun means that they're the same "they."  Since the Jews wouldn't have been standing (sitting) guard or doing the crucifying, the soldiers were the ones who divided the garments.
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2004, 01:02:15 am »

Maybe - But it just does not make sense - That is like today the guards at the death row facility getting the guys stuff after they kill him.  :-/
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2004, 06:47:25 pm »

Would it make sense to you that upon arresting someone, thirty bucks should be given the people from whom the arrested was taken?

That's how it went back then (substitute appropriate monetary unit for $$).
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2004, 06:22:21 am »

Would that not be his family and close friends then? - That would be like me dying and giving my stuff to America. (I think)
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2004, 06:46:30 am »

No, it would be like you dying and the executioners or State taking your stuff.

This has a long and bloody tradtion. Basically, the guards (Romans) could have taken what they wanted after the prisoners were dead.
The Christian church did similar things during their witch hunts in Europe.
The Church usually gained posession of a person's wealth, land and
other worldly goods after a person had been convicted of heathenism.
This might have had a part in the Church becoming such a large (and rich)
land holder.

But I digress. My point is that we're talking about a different time and culture. The strong, the winners and the wealthy could do pretty much whatever they wanted. Who was going to stop them? So, if some soldier wants the clothes off a dead body, no one is going to step in and say, "Hey, that's not right. His family and friends should get a share." After all, everyone had just seen what the Romans did to people they didn't like....

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2004, 09:13:09 am »

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The Church usually gained posession of a person's wealth, land and
other worldly goods after a person had been convicted of heathenism.


I believe the term was heresy(spelling uncertain) as in a heretic of the church.
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Re: The passion of the christ
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2004, 12:15:58 pm »

Well eventually, who cares?
Now it's obvious it was all a set-up for the high media-communication to advertise the movie.
What's better then just seeing what this is all about and buying a ticket to the cinema?
Mel Gibson probably knew this gonna turn the media to talk about his movie all the time, and I already read an estimation that says Gibson's private pocket will earn about 600,000,000$(from 25,000,000$ invested)
He on purpose made extreme antisemitic signs for the media to go nuts out of poor 25m$ movie.

Personally I wouldn't bother buying a ticket so I just dled an svcd of the movie for dvd. I'm not sure it's even going to be aired in Israel.
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