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The worst ship?
« on: April 08, 2004, 06:37:05 pm »

Wich ship is the worst, what are you think? As for me, a think shofixti is pretty useless... I've never manged to kill someone with it, and it's suicide wep does very little damage, if now beeing extremly close to the ship. Also I don't like Ilwrath - against most ships (CPU) it sucks.
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2004, 07:39:56 pm »

The Shofixti ship owns the VUX.  The fight isn't even remotely fair.  It's also useful for "softening up" capital ships (e.g., the glory device takes care of Chmmr ZapSats quite well) but the handling does take some getting used to (much like the Pkunk ship).

My vote on this would have to go to the Umgah Drone.  Slow, with a bad turning rate, which is exacerbated by the absolutely pathetic range of its primary weapon.  The fact that its primary weapon isn't strong enough to shield against the stronger attacks in the game (Ur-Quan, Kohr-Ah, Druuge, Melnorme and Chenjesu shots sail right through it) makes for some very short battles indeed.

And I won't even begin to discuss the demerits of a special attack that propels you very quickly in a direction opposite of the one that your primary weapon faces.
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2004, 07:45:26 pm »

Agreed whoile heartedly.  The umagh drone is the worst ship in the game.  

As for the shofixti, I can beat a Ur-quan with it, I once beat a kor-ah, but only once. (All on Level Awsome) I can take out all the zipzats with the glory device, however I think that it is nearly impossible to beat a chmmr with it.  
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2004, 08:10:05 pm »

In SC1, the Drone was significantly more powerful -- the cone was wider, which allowed the pilot to graze ships on the sideswipe. This was an important tactic, which SC2's reduced cone renders impossible.

I guess this was one of the compromises they made to make the game easier (the other being that the Intruder doesn't warp in close).

I wonder how hard it would be to reinstate the larger cone...
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2004, 09:01:33 pm »

.....Then you can download the patch for internet play, as for regular skirmish with a CPU I don't mind the umagh like that because some of the tactics of the CPU involve charging the umagh..
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2004, 12:53:24 am »

Actually, the thing that ticks me off about the Umgah is that the computer on awesome is actually somewhat effective with it. It does a good job of backing up at just the right time in the right direction to appear suddenly right in front of me with its cone going. I've tried doing the same, but I guess I just don't have the coordination for that sort of maneuver.
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2004, 01:25:48 am »

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Making the antimatter cone bigger is NOT on the same order of difficulty as rewriting the combat engine.

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So, because the AI is stupid enough the weak ship can be moderately effective despite its intrinsic wussitude, it shouldn't be cinched up to the level which would indicate it is not positively retrogressing? That would be like if in SC3 there were Ilwrath and the invisibility made them black but weapons would track to them properly.
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2004, 03:30:09 am »

In raw terms, yes, the Umgah is the worst (for human players), but in terms of badness relative to cost, I'd say Mycon is clearly the winner (er, loser).  23 points for that piece of crap!?  It accelerates slowly, its regeneration is too slow and energy-gobbling to be good for anything, and its big homing shot is too slow and more often than not ends up hitting the Mycon itself (especially if it's up against a fast ship that can run rings around the Mycon).

Melee skills are irrelevant to whether the Mycon wins or not, because all the player basically can do is decide whether to shoot or regenerate at any given point.  Regardless of the skill level of the Mycon pilot, it can easily be beaten by any ship that's faster than its homing ball.  The Mycon is only useful against some slow ships like the Earthling, but plenty of ships are effective against the Earthling anyway.  I can buy a Spathi for less than a Mycon and it sure as hell beats everything the Mycon can.

Ugh.  For me it's Mycon all the way.  I hate that thing (except when my enemy is piloting it, that is :-).

By the way, the Shofixti rocks (again for its cost).  It's perhaps the *best* ship.  6 Shofixti (30 points) will beat an Ur-quan (also 30 points) any day.  It's not useful as a primary attack ship but it's extremely useful to take out ships that are much more valuable.  Example scenarios:
Shofixti vs. Arilou or Pkunk: enemy tries to come close to use its short-range weapon, Shofixti detonates, Arilou/Pkunk dies.  

Shofixti vs. Chmmr: Shofixti explodes and destroys Chmmr satellites, now suddenly it's easy to beat the Chmmr with your Spathi or Thraddash.

Shofixti vs. damaged Ur-quan: Shofixti weaves between the plasma bolts, explodes right beside the Ur-quan, Ur-quan dies.

Shofixti vs. Mycon: Shofixti doesn't even need to explode, Mycon dies :).
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2004, 04:44:41 am »

The Drone is a peice of junk, but I also think the Mycon is pretty bad too.  Its way too slow.
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2004, 06:10:02 am »

The podship is good, the drone is bad. Most slow ships are long ranged other than the drone and the avenger. The avenger can cloak to get up close, but the drone has nothing. It has defence, but no offence.
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2004, 10:46:12 am »

can you say gravity whip... how deadly the mycon do become... time your release... and unleash the dogs of war!

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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2004, 10:55:13 am »

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can you say gravity whip... how deadly the mycon do become... time your release... and unleash the dogs of war!

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No no no, that's incorrect. The quote you're refering to goes like this: "Cry havok and let slip the dogs of war". I don't know where it's from; it's just one of those dumb things that sticks to you once you've heard it.
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2004, 01:03:12 pm »

I must be the only person in the boards who actually LIKES the drone.

The podship isn't too bad either, IMO, with a bit of gravity whip. (or Miracle Whip. Mmmh, mushroom sammich...  Tongue )
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2004, 03:20:13 pm »

"Cry havok and let slip the dogs of war" is Shakespeare.  I don't know what play though.
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Re: The worst ship?
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2004, 04:16:35 pm »

It's either hamlet or caesar.

Anyhoo, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the zoqfot for worst ship. I can do significantly more damage with a drone than I can with a stinger.
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