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Text/Speech Differences
« on: December 05, 2002, 11:09:55 am »

Some of these are hysterical !  Mainly the ones in the Syreen conversations.  'We make out all right' is left in, but the following 'with just us females' is mysteriously gone  Wink
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Re: Text/Speech Differences
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2002, 08:42:33 pm »

Sadly, the text and speech could never be made to match exactly.  In numerous places we inserted either your chosen captain's name or ship's name (or both) in the alien's text.  Obviously we couldn't do that with recorded speech.

Why the Syreen's speech was changed I don't know.  I don't believe we censored it (it's not THAT bad of a double meaning).

Incidentally this is also one of the reasons we had to change the credit sequences for the 3DO.  We forgot to record them initially and since we had taken out the alien text and couldn't get some of the voice actors back, we just decided to cut and run.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2002, 09:10:33 pm »

you did some pretty impressive voice work if i remember correctly, fred.  you could always just do "impressions" of the originals and cross your fingers. *grin*
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2002, 09:22:13 pm »

The biggest differences in text to speech were the Starbase Commander lines.  The voice actor must have really sucked, or he just liked to ad-lib or something.  (Or maybe his lines were changed)  I went through them all in an ill-fated attempt to make the text match the speech (stupid me didn't backup the fixed text files, and formatted the HD they were on).
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2002, 10:54:42 pm »

OK, Here's what I want to know, and the topic here seems to be well-suited to a slight course deviation:

In what ways was the script changed between the PC and 3DO versions?  As in, what (ever so slight) story modifications were made along the way, and why?

For instance, I noticed that this little snippet w/ the Melnorme is completely absent from the current alpha, I'm guessing because the voice actor charged by the line Smiley :
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How nice to see you again, Captain.
Before we go on, I have a small announcement.
As you may know, in our travels throughout the galaxy
we Melnorme have found many strange and interesting alien artifacts.
One of these devices is the MetaChron, a kind of trans-time alarm system.
In a nutshell, it warns me of future dangers by predicting its own demise
which is most likely linked to my own well being, since I keep it under my pillow.
The unit is a small pyramid and, when all is well, white in color.
But if we are proceeding along a timeline which will eventually result in the destruction of the MetaChron
the unit slowly darkens. Presumably, it will be destroyed at the same time as it turns completely black.
When we first entered this region of space, the MetaChron was white.
Now it is light gray.
At its present rate of change, something will destroy the MetaChron
in the early part of the year 2159.
In order to avoid this unpleasantness, we may be leaving just before this time
so if you have business you wish to conduct with us
I suggest you do so before January 2159, or February at the latest.
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Re: Text/Speech Differences
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2002, 02:05:13 am »

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In what ways was the script changed between the PC and 3DO versions?  As in, what (ever so slight) story modifications were made along the way, and why?


We certainly didn't try to modify the story.  As I mentioned previously and for obvious reasons, some of the written dialog had to be altered when spoken.  Also remember when this open source project started we only had the complete set of source code for the 3DO version.  I believe our written dialog archaeology was not a complete success (i.e. we don't actually have a copy of the final PC dialog).

But that's what this project is for -- restoring this game to everyone's satisfaction.  So if you have found an omission that can be rectified -- even if it's only initially in the text -- then communicate this to the people currently working on the restoration.
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2002, 05:12:05 am »

How about totally (!) redubbing some of the voice work? How cool would it be to have YOUR voice in your favourite game?
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2002, 08:19:35 am »

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(i.e. we don't actually have a copy of the final PC dialog).



I didn't know that...I wonder what the script was for then?  (I found some errors on it but I thought it was a kind of the original script, so I didn't write them down *sigh*).
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2003, 03:22:37 am »

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(i.e. we don't actually have a copy of the final PC dialog).


No? What about the Conversations section of the SC2 database, on The Pages of Now & Forever (http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/sc2/quotes/)? Are these not complete? I noticed several omissions within the first twenty minutes of play, but I can't remember them exactly and that was in an earlier release. I wouldn't mind if the full PC text was restored since I never downloaded the alien speech. I made that mistake only once.  Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2004, 06:26:10 am »

I was just curious...did anyone ever make a list of every omission/change?  I know the Metachron/Syreen/Mycon changes have been discussed, but I've heard that Hayes and the Arilou also saw changes/omissisions?
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2004, 08:59:15 pm »

I went through some of the conversation logs on The Pages of Now and Forever.  Although I'm not entirely surprised at some changes...it seems to me that almost half of the references on what to do next are missing.  Sometimes KEY elements.  Some are less important.  Though many people who have had to answer this question over and over may disagree, the Mycon not revealing their homeworld is forgivable.  But what of the Utwig?  A key clue that the Supox now have the Ultron is removed.  I am confused.  Why are so many integral clues missing?  If anything, you'd think SCII would be DUMMIED down for a console release, not made inexplicably harder.

I am trying to play through the game with as little help as possible, but I'm finding it in cases impossible.  (Luckily, Organon was NOT one of them).  I remember the game fondly from watching my brother  play more than a decade ago.  I'm constantly frustrated that I can't share the experience because of these omissions.

Not that this is the UM team's fault.  Even so...I feel like it'd be beneficial for people playing UM to have a list of the missing clues, or missing dialogue in general..

(I feel even the Metachron is an important clue...seems cruel to toss the Kohr-ah at the player unexpected.)
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Re: Text/Speech Differences
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2004, 11:37:02 pm »

While we're on this subject: Will efforts be made to rectify dialogue errors in UQM? I realise that mere discrepancies between PC text and 3DO voice will probably have to remain unresolved, but what about those places where text simply is missing? If memory serves me correctly, there are also at least one or two places where the text dialogue can't keep up with the tempo of the audio. Seems to me it would be child's play to fix some of these flaws.

All in all there are many places with minor dialogue errors, "bugs" if you like. Should these be reported as bugs?
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2004, 12:15:37 am »

In theory, these should all be fixed.  A while back, I went through all the subtitles, and corrected them all with respect to the spoken dialogue, as well as cleaning up a few "bad samples" that I came across.  It sucked.  It also took a long time to do.  I submitted a series of mega-patches to coredev, but they've sat on them for one reason or another.  (although to be fair, I think roughly half of the subtitles are now applied in current CVS, new timestamps, audio and comms bugfixes have been left alone)

If you've got a problem with the subtitles, make the appropriate whining noises at the appropriate volume in the appropriate places.  Everything is in place to make this go away, it's simply a matter now of compelling someone who is able to fix it in CVS to do so.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2004, 01:08:11 am »

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If you've got a problem with the subtitles, make the appropriate whining noises at the appropriate volume in the appropriate places.  Everything is in place to make this go away, it's simply a matter now of compelling someone who is able to fix it in CVS to do so.

Well, that leaves only the small matter of recognising the appropriate places... Wink

I think I'll do a complete replay of UQM once 0.4 comes out, if there are many conversation bugs left at that point, I will point them out then.
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