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Re: Aftermath
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2004, 11:54:43 pm »

haha, I was reading Madcap's post and was like 'WTF?' and almost posted some shit in IRC being in so much extacy, untill I realised that it was about Aftermath, not UQM.
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« Reply #61 on: May 18, 2004, 03:14:49 am »

Just thought I'd tell you how great a job you're doing with this.  I can't wait for the other races to be added in, and I'm hoping you have a melee thingy you plan on implenmenting like the super melee in UQM.

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« Reply #62 on: May 18, 2004, 04:53:58 am »

Semi-rant:

I personally don't like how the Ur-Quan are the front line of all combat and the Mycon are the ones that guard the starbases. I would replace the patrol fleets with Mycon and VUX ships but have a couple uber-Dreadnoughts pop out of the Starbases.

If you use VUX, you're gonna need to give them some means of closing in fast because even a few Earthling Cruisers would completely dominate hordes of slow moving Intruders what with the way the game's engine works.
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Re: Aftermath
« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2004, 05:11:41 pm »

Madgap solution to the rich-rocks problem: After you re-enter the system, all rich-rocks returns! That means also the rich-rocks that you already mined....

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I personally don't like how the Ur-Quan are the front line of all combat and the Mycon are the ones that guard the starbases. I would replace the patrol fleets with Mycon and VUX ships but have a couple uber-Dreadnoughts pop out of the Starbases.

If you use VUX, you're gonna need to give them some means of closing in fast because even a few Earthling Cruisers would completely dominate hordes of slow moving Intruders what with the way the game's engine works.


Well, in AfterMath the earthling is kind of the best ship... I have never lost a combat even when I was outnumbered and against the super-urquans (don't remember the name). It seems that the dreadnaughts don't have more "crew" than the crusiers have.
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« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2004, 06:35:31 pm »

Perhaps this has been brought up or I'm forgetting something, anyway...

I go and mine an asteroid, I then switch ships and mine some more, I then switch ships and mine even more.

So, three ships full of ore.

Now, and I ask this for I feel it to be important, why is it that I only get credits for one cargo load of ore and why are all the cruisers emptied out?
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« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2004, 07:14:28 pm »

Hmm... I never noticed that. I usually get 3 or 4 cruisers and clean out the homesystem and simply drop off the cargo... I never actually checked if I got the right price for it. It seems I'm as careless with my game finance as I am IRL  Wink
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« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2004, 07:41:55 pm »

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Perhaps this has been brought up or I'm forgetting something, anyway...

I go and mine an asteroid, I then switch ships and mine some more, I then switch ships and mine even more.

So, three ships full of ore.

Now, and I ask this for I feel it to be important, why is it that I only get credits for one cargo load of ore and why are all the cruisers emptied out?


If you didn't notice there isn't just 1 time of ore. Last time that I played I mined only with 1 ship and got back and I got 10000 credit(!!!). And 1 time I came with 1 ship too and good only 2000.
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« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2004, 08:33:29 pm »

Ok, I've triple checked both asteroid spawning thing and the resource selling code...both by looking at the code and experimentation.  I don't have any problems with them.  The one thing I did not do was save and then load the data...so if there is a problem it might be there.

Just to clarify: the asteroid positions, sizes, and resource amounts are random everytime you enter a sector.  The game only keeps track of the total amount of resources in an asteroid belt.  So if you leave a sector and there is only one 80 resource asteroid left, the next time you enter there may be 4 20 resource asteroids scattered around the belt.  I have checked the code and that is working as it should.  (Unless it's a save load problem.)

As for selling resources at starbase: a fully loaded earthling cruiser holds 160 resource units (they each weight half a ton).  That's 1600 credits for a full load.  The cargo ship holds 600 units (6000 credits worth).  Cargo ships in the cargo fleets are always fully loaded so it's a pretty good payoff to snag one of those.  You can also sell the ship and get some cash that way too (plus whatever additional fuel it was carrying.)

I'll keep checking, but as far as I can tell these things are working as they should.

Now, some of you seem to be a bit better at fighting than I am...the Ur-Quan should definately not be pushovers...the VUX are another story. Smiley  Next version the Ur-Quan are going to kick butt.  You've been warned.

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« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2004, 09:30:00 pm »

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Deep-Jiffa: Dangit!  It's not supposed to do that either...I guess it's better than the alternative.  I'll fix it, though.

Are you capturing Ur-Quan cargo ships?  They have about 10000 credits worth of resources.

No I prefer to blow em up.
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« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2004, 10:10:35 pm »

The Ur-Quan launch their fighters now, that's really awsome Smiley

edit: argh... a point defense laser would be nice  :-/
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« Reply #70 on: May 20, 2004, 11:28:44 am »

Yeah, no kidding. When the fighters flood in, all my cruisers break formation and start chucking away at fighters to little effect. I had to put Ion Blasters in all the secondary slots so they wouldn't throw away nukes against the little devils at close range. I almost don't want a point defense system - the fighters won't matter much when those are implemented.

Don't like the way the Mycons or the fighters look right now. Podships are supposed to be fleshy and the fighters were a mild brown color that shot yellow beams. The miniature Ur-Quan ships are an odd sight for sure. These complaints are justified since this is a really nice looking game on the whole.
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Re: Aftermath
« Reply #71 on: May 20, 2004, 07:53:18 pm »

hmm, i need to check this new version, but an idea...

why not do the old star control stuff, take out the little damage dude in the bottom right, and put crew and energy just like the origional star control (or mabye an option in an options menu)

also, as it was said, point defense lasers are a must....

now that dreadnoughts launch fighters, it would be nice to slim down the amount of them and increase their armor, like a real dreadnought, they should be devistating... ALONE

um i think you should make umgah replace ur-quan scouts, and replace the regular ur-quan dreadnought with like... vux and mycon, and replace the stupid uber-quan with the regular ur-quan....



WE NEED SHOFIXTI!! MAKE EM CHEAP AND hehe... fast with lots of explosive power.... like a nuke... rush em into an enemy base hahaha!

also i think you should be able to decide if you want some of your ships to hold their position, so u can rush with stuff like the shofixti... if hes planned....
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« Reply #72 on: May 21, 2004, 01:18:00 am »

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hmm, i need to check this new version, but an idea...

why not do the old star control stuff, take out the little damage dude in the bottom right, and put crew and energy just like the origional star control (or mabye an option in an options menu)

also, as it was said, point defense lasers are a must....

now that dreadnoughts launch fighters, it would be nice to slim down the amount of them and increase their armor, like a real dreadnought, they should be devistating... ALONE

um i think you should make umgah replace ur-quan scouts, and replace the regular ur-quan dreadnought with like... vux and mycon, and replace the stupid uber-quan with the regular ur-quan....


WE NEED SHOFIXTI!! MAKE EM CHEAP AND hehe... fast with lots of explosive power.... like a nuke... rush em into an enemy base hahaha!

also i think you should be able to decide if you want some of your ships to hold their position, so u can rush with stuff like the shofixti... if hes planned....


I agree with must stuff here, but I have few things to say:

It is his game, he will decide if he wants to put crew/energy or the correct system. Personally I prefer the correct system, more realistic.

True, they should be devistating. But correctly all you have is the crusiers and I don't think they are a match for them, especially when it isn't one on one battlles!

About the AI, in time I am sure that he will do that too. For now what there is is fine.

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« Reply #73 on: May 21, 2004, 07:51:18 pm »

Thanks for the feedback guys. Smiley  The current damage readout will be upgraded over time, but I can't use the 'old style'.  There's too much new stuff that I need to display: separate damage to engine, hull, and weapon systems, and each weapon has it's own internal battery and recharge rate.  

Play balance is more difficult with many vs. many ship battles.  I can't program the computer to analyze your fleet setup and compose the perfect counter force, so I have to make the ships a bit more well rounded (no achilles heels and no super ships).

For instance, there will be a point defense laser, but it will probably be an auto-targeting laser that fires at the closest enemy target.  The real earthling cruiser pdl is way too powerful for fleet combat, in my opinion.

I also want to keep the races separate...mostly.  No more Ur-Quan hierarchy as Aftermath takes place almost 100 years after the end of sc2.  Something very bad happened, and the galaxy is not what it used to be.
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Re: Aftermath
« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2004, 10:45:24 am »

Few thoughts and WH questions:

- What are your plans for Aftermath?

- Will it include an online multiplayer session?

- Will it have a super-melee mode( now with fleets!! Grin )?

- Storyline?

- I don't really understand how you can be the "hero" of the game right now if you are a minor captian ( and even you yourself said that if you die you are replaced).

- Strange that one nuke don't destroy a starbase  Angry

- I hope the AI would be improved soon because I can't attack starbases because they are so stupid. No matter how I try it, I always lose 3 ships from FF at least!

- Why the podship doesn't heal itself, and if I am wrong about it why it heals itself so slowly?
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