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Afghanistan is not fixed.
The government controls about 20% of the country, with the rest being warlords, about half of them loyal to the Taliban. Furthermore, conditions in the controlled areas are not so great, and improvement has been slow.
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http://afghanistannews.net/
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Geesh. Why the hell is our media throwing such a fit over Iraq but not mentioning a single word of what's happening in Afghanistan? Maybe "fixed" isn't the best word for them, but the Taliban and crew are in relative disarray.
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Glad Death999 stepped in there, cuz 'fixed' does sound rather absurd, though I could find no articles explaining the current situation. If we are 'safer' for our actions in afghanistan, we are only marginally so. And we have to weigh that against the rest of the 'war on terror' and the negative impacts the Iraq war has had on that...
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I feel I must step in to make a few facts available to you. Primarily in yesterdays Daily News it was reported that 36,000 people are registed both here in New York(which is mainly a liberal state) and Florida(a mainly consevative state) 85% of which are registered Democrats. A portion of the 36,000 voted in New York and Florida, here in person Florida by absentee or vice versa. Which is fine, but when it was meantioned that some voters did that in 2000 a red flag went up, some people voted for Bush OR Gore twice(there is really no way of knowing.)
Secondly John Kerry is not a war-hero, he fought in Vietnam there were no heroes in Vietnam, only baby-killers(should Kerry want people to believe otherwise he should release the offical reports of what his superiors said about him rather than a synopsis of a supporter which only his signature can release, if he is this big war hero why did he co-found an anti-war organization after did his tour?), this mainly due to the media. No Vietnam Veterns were able to get a job, the only way was to omit service.
Kerry's pharse "I WON three purple hearts" key word there won, wining something shows that you aimed for it the only way that this statement makes sense is if you shot yourself in the leg/foot in order to get Ted Kennedy to pull you out, the correct term would be earned, not won I guess it means little to one who inherited his entire fortune/lifestyle.
Finally I really only need one reason to not support Kerry, he keeps meantioning we need to pull our troops out of Iraq and let our Allies lend a hand and for some reason he keeps meantioning the French in this context, why not the Russians and the Germans while we are at it,These Countries bought Iraq six months to dispose of the weapons they had(if they were there) through deadlocking the UN. Not to meantion numerous times the UN inspectors were booted out of Iraq over the past decade.
I've sorted for simplicity just in case this is too much to swallow at once. Blind faith in a party will get you nowhere vote for the man NOT the party.
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« Last Edit: August 24, 2004, 02:40:35 am by Terminator »
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There is one FACT I forgot to meantion the communist party nominates a man every presidental election, a man ho shares their beliefs, this is the first time however that this man is running under a main party, yep you guessed it John Kerry, check http://www.communistsforkerry.com for enlightenment. If your faith in this man is still unshaken there is a statue or a plauge commemorating John Kerry in Veitnam, should I find a link or a pic for it I WILL post it, preferably before November.
It is your right to disagree withme, but we can not allow another Draft-dodger in the White House.
Although communistforkerry looks like conservative propaganda it full of far to much hate that any self-respecting capitalist or American would write or think.
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« Last Edit: August 24, 2004, 02:40:14 am by Terminator »
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I feel I must step in to make a few facts available to you. Primarily in yesterdays Daily News it was reported that 36,000 people are registed both here in New York(which is mainly a liberal state) and Florida(a mainly consevative state) 85% of which are registered Democrats. A portion of the 36,000 voted in New York and Florida, here in person Florida by absentee or vice versa. Which is fine, but when it was meantioned that some voters did that in 2000 a red flag went up, some people voted for Bush OR Gore twice(there is really no way of knowing.)
Secondly John Kerry is not a war-hero, he fought in Vietnam there were no heroes in Vietnam, only baby-killers(should Kerry want people to believe otherwise he should release the offical reports of what his superiors said about him rather than a synopsis of a supporter which only his signature can release, if he is this big war hero why did he co-found an anti-war organization after did his tour?), this mainly due to the media. No Vietnam Veterns were able to get a job, the only way was to omit service.
Kerry's pharse "I WON three purple hearts" key word there won, wining something shows that you aimed for it the only way that this statement makes sense is if you shot yourself in the leg/foot in order to get Ted Kennedy to pull you out, the correct term would be earned, not won I guess it means little to one who inherited his entire fortune/lifestyle.
Finally I really only need one reason to not support Kerry, he keeps meantioning we need to pull our troops out of Iraq and let our Allies lend a hand and for some reason he keeps meantioning the French in this context, why not the Russians and the Germans while we are at it,These Countries bought Iraq six months to dispose of the weapons they had(if they were there) through deadlocking the UN. Not to meantion numerous times the UN inspectors were booted out of Iraq over the past decade.
I've sorted for simplicity just in case this is too much to swallow at once. Blind faith in a party will get you nowhere vote for the man NOT the party.
Terminator: your typing makes my eyes bleed, but I'll try to respond. Kerry probably is gaining some popularity off a "war hero" image, but I personally could care less about it. If it seems like that's all he talks about, you are incorrect - the media is just way too focused on showing frivilous things over and over.
To me, re-electing Bush means another war or two, more total bullshit economic policies that pile up debt and benefit the super rich and neglect of the environment. Kerry doesn't have my vote because he's great (he might not be), he has my vote because he most assuredly will do none of the above.
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There is one FACT I forgot to meantion the communist party nominates a man every presidental election, a man ho shares their beliefs, this is the first time however that this man is running under a main party, yep you guessed it John Kerry, check http://www.communistsforkerry.com for enlightenment. If your faith in this man is still unshaken there is a statue or a plauge commemorating John Kerry in Veitnam, should I find a link or a pic for it I WILL post it, preferably before November. It is your right to disagree do not allow another Draft-dodger in the White House.
Uh, communism is pretty much a joke these days, but cute site anyway. "Draft dodger"? The only effect this argument has had on me is that I'm convinced you're a fool.
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Terminator: your typing makes my eyes bleed, but I'll try to respond. Kerry probably is gaining some popularity off a "war hero" image, but I personally could care less about it. If it seems like that's all he talks about, you are incorrect - the media is just way too focused on showing frivilous things over and over.
To me, re-electing Bush means another war or two, more total bullshit economic policies that pile up debt and benefit the super rich and neglect of the environment. Kerry doesn't have my vote because he's great (he might not be), he has my vote because he most assuredly will do none of the above.
If you meantion that you are a war hero every chance you get and use, I won three purple hearts as a diffence it shows that you are to locked into the past. He "Fought" in nam' for four months, after which he co-founded an anti-war in nam' organization, if you do that you have no right to rite the "war-hero", Bush Sr. and Bob Dole had medals did you know that? It means little when his wife Jane Fonda now Mrs. "Hienz" Kerry was asked to star in "The Exorist"(the original) she refused calling it "capitalist horseshit." I see a pattern. I have a cartoon of two cells(scenes) one has a picture of a man with a sign with the text "NO WAR" and a caption "protected by the constitution", and the other has a picture of a marine all geared up with the caption "protector of the Constitution". I have one question what side was Kerry on, because it is quite obvious you cannot be on both.
Communism non-existant? So what was the Red Scare/Cold War all about? You see the Democrats side with the Communists because it appeals to their main support group, the impoverished, and the Democrats are well versed in the idea of McCarthyism(referrence to Senator Joesph McCarthy named people he didn't like or possibly were opponents, as communists with absolutely no proof. These people were blacklisted, fired and unemployable. Means making accusations without any evidence or proof Ted Kennedy anyone? I think Robert DeNiro starred in a movie that explained this.)Communism will always be around and appeals to the common man who can never get ahead, Veitnam, North Korea and China(in the UN Formosa is recognized as China) are communist countries, the only reason that it works in these counties is because the government controls everything the put opium in the food to force their own people to work, an addict will do anything to get his fix, and when an entire country is in this state we really do look like capitalist pigs.I'm a fool am I? God forbid Kerry gets elected you will see who the fool really is. I suppose you agree with John Kerry that we should pull out our troops to let our allies like the French to take our place. Their is one fatal flaw in that logic Arabs with pitchforks could defeat the French Army, what was the last war they were victorious(excluding WWI and all of their revolutions you really can't lose one of those.)It's time people must realize that own only allies are the English and the Jews.
He who doesn't study history is doomed to repeat it.
You cannot a appease a dictator.(initially with Hilter)
If you find this difficult to read I appologize I'm not a good writter, but I do know my history. One final piece of advice the Iron Curtain never fell it parted and then it receded ,the Soviets weren't the only communists.
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That whole post reeks of hysteria. Let's pick it apart, shall we?
If you meantion that you are a war hero every chance you get and use, I won three purple hearts as a diffence it shows that you are to locked into the past.
Did you even read my post? I already addressed this.
"If it seems like that's all he talks about, you are incorrect - the media is just way too focused on showing frivilous things over and over."
Now if you had made an attempt at shooting this statement down, the above statement you made wouldn't sound so idiotic.
He "Fought" in nam' for four months, after which he co-founded an anti-war in nam' organization, if you do that you have no right to rite the "war-hero", Bush Sr. and Bob Dole had medals did you know that?
I don't really care about this trivia from 20-30 years ago, but seeing as how your whole post is based around it...
A person who fights at the front of a war but later expresses dissent has more of a right to the title "hero" then some rich asshole who's never seen combat but supports wars left and right. And a lot of people have medals. Is that relevant at all?
It means little when his wife Jane Fonda now Mrs. "Hienz" Kerry was asked to star in "The Exorist"(the original) she refused calling it "capitalist horseshit."
While Kerry may have messed around with Jane Fonda back in the day, his wife is a separate person. What Jane Fonda says about a film has absolutely no bearing on this issue.
I see a pattern.
The only pattern here is your paranoia.
I have a cartoon of two cells(scenes) one has a picture of a man with a sign with the text "NO WAR" and a caption "protected by the constitution", and the other has a picture of a marine all geared up with the caption "protector of the Constitution". I have one question what side was Kerry on, because it is quite obvious you cannot be on both.
I can sort of see what you're saying with this, but it doesn't work. The guy enlisted, fought, then became anti-war after experienceing it first-hand.
Communism non-existant? So what was the Red Scare/Cold War all about? You see the Democrats side with the Communists because it appeals to their main support group, the impoverished, and the Democrats are well versed in the idea of McCarthyism(referrence to Senator Joesph McCarthy named people he didn't like or possibly were opponents, as communists with absolutely no proof. These people were blacklisted, fired and unemployable. Means making accusations without any evidence or proof Ted Kennedy anyone? I think Robert DeNiro starred in a movie that explained this.)Communism will always be around and appeals to the common man who can never get ahead, Veitnam, North Korea and China(in the UN Formosa is recognized as China) are communist countries, the only reason that it works in these counties is because the government controls everything the put opium in the food to force their own people to work, an addict will do anything to get his fix, and when an entire country is in this state we really do look like capitalist pigs.
China is cruel to its people, but the only thing they'd even dream of trying to take over is Taiwan. And I can hardly blame them; we did the same thing back in the Civil War. North Korea on the other hand would kill, maim, and conquer the planet - if they could. All they can do is launch a nuke, probably only one (which has a pretty good chance of being averted by one of our anti-missile things you may have heard about), and then in response have their entire country wiped from the face of the Earth. I doubt they'd be so stupid. My point is that yes, communism is itself quite harmless now.
I'm a fool am I? God forbid Kerry gets elected you will see who the fool really is. I suppose you agree with John Kerry that we should pull out our troops to let our allies like the French to take our place. Their is one fatal flaw in that logic Arabs with pitchforks could defeat the French Army, what was the last war they were victorious(excluding WWI and all of their revolutions you really can't lose one of those.)
More paranoid garbage. No American politician is hung up specifically on the French. This idea is so ridiculous I doubt even the worst outlets of the media are pushing it around. When Kerry says "allies", he means most of the civilized world.
It's time people must realize that own only allies are the English and the Jews.
Better look out! Canada, Japan and Italy have joined the Axis of Evil!
He who doesn't study history is doomed to repeat it.
You cannot a appease a dictator.(initially with Hilter)
This is obscure, but you're obviously refering to Saddam. You know that even if we never went to war with him, it wouldn't be appeasement, right? Appeasement would be if he conquered Kuwait and we ignored it.
If you find this difficult to read I appologize I'm not a good writter, but I do know my history. One final piece of advice the Iron Curtain never fell it parted and then it receded ,the Soviets weren't the only communists.
Please don't say "one final piece of advice" if you aren't giving advice.
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Ah, I see the erstwhile Term has decided to grace thses forums with his "special" styler of writing. While I myself am still abit pressed for time, and will gladly allow the rest of the board to debate this, there is one thibng I might mention that seems to have slipped by unnoticed.
Finally I really only need one reason to not support Kerry, he keeps meantioning we need to pull our troops out of Iraq and let our Allies lend a hand and for some reason he keeps meantioning the French in this context, why not the Russians and the Germans while we are at it,These Countries bought Iraq six months to dispose of the weapons they had(if they were there) through deadlocking the UN. Not to meantion numerous times the UN inspectors were booted out of Iraq over the past decade.
Fel free to produce ANY evidence that Iraq "disposed" of their weapons in their last six months, and if you manage to do so (I know Bio didn't), feel free to explain why it was necessary to invade at all, if they actually disposed of the weapons that were the reason for invading.
Also, feel free to read through the entire thread (yes, I know its alot fotext, but it might hlep you make less of a fool of yourself), and pay special attention to the parts where we were debating France and other allies that weren't keen to invade. If you have anyhing to add, then do so. Don't just blindly chant the mantra "FrAnCe iS teH SuxxorZ!". I know it's popular, but that doesn't mean it is correct.
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Wow, the off-topic boards really are meaner than the main boards.
I'd just like to point out that it's a little weird when someone can't tell the difference between a joke site made by Republicans to smear Kerry and an actual site in support of Kerry. It's a bit like those animal rights activists protesting the bonsai kittens sites, or those Bible Belt Christians who found an Onion article proving J. K. Rowling is a Satanist.
Just to clarify: Terminator, communistsforkerry is a rather heavy-handed *joke*, in case you couldn't tell from the poorly Photoshopped celebrity heads in the member photos.
Then again, the whole rather bizarre identification of Jane Fonda and Teresa Heinz Kerry as the same person makes me wonder if Terminator's own posts might not be some sort of satire. (Are Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein really the same guy too?)
And, BTW, Term, no, you don't know your history. And yes, Term, you can lose a revolution. It happens a lot. And no, Term, communist countries did not keep their entire working population permanently addicted to opium. That would be rather expensive. And I don't know what the heck you're talking about with the Robert de Niro/Ted Kennedy/Joseph McCarthy connection. Are you sure you're not the one with problems involving opiates?
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Oh, also: Call Kerry a misguided publicity-hog if you want (I'm not even sure I'd disagree with you), but calling a volunteer a "draft-dodger" doesn't really make sense at all, even if it is, technically, true.
And then in your earlier post you talked about how Kerry is not a war hero because all Vietnam vets were evil baby-killers. Well... okay, now I'm totally confused about what your actual attitude about all this is. If that's so, wouldn't that make it a *good* thing that Kerry decided to oppose the war when he came back? Is it okay to be a baby-killer if you're a consistent baby-killer, and is it wrong for baby-killers to repent? Wouldn't it be a good thing to oppose a war in Iraq that would attract the same mob of sadistic baby-killers?
And... my gosh, I'm still hung up on that whole Fonda/Kerry thing. You really think they're the same person? Do you even actually read or watch the actual news at all? Do you make it a habit to listen to vitriolic conservative satire or comedy and then repeat them as gospel truth? (I'm just waiting for you to come out with the story of how Kerry intentionally wounded himself to get another Purple Heart.)
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Fell free to produce ANY evidence that Iraq "disposed" of their weapons in their last six months, and if you manage to do so (I know Bio didn't), feel free to explain why it was necessary to invade at all, if they actually disposed of the weapons that were the reason for invading.
Also, feel free to read through the entire thread (yes, I know its alot fotext, but it might hlep you make less of a fool of yourself), and pay special attention to the parts where we were debating France and other allies that weren't keen to invade. If you have anyhing to add, then do so. Don't just blindly chant the mantra "FrAnCe iS teH SuxxorZ!". I know it's popular, but that doesn't mean it is correct.
Be careful how you word things "PRODUCE" means to create and fabricate, I am NOT Michael Moore, I can't creat something from nothing, I can however reveal the light to those who are cast into the darkness by the veil of the media. It doesn't mean anything, all I have to prove is that he HAD them between the UN resolution and the time we responded. Assuming the weapons were there they are either hidden in bunkers across Iraq or the more likely scenario in Iran, they may be bitter enemies, but if someone you hate offers you something like that with no exchange anyone would take it.
Back to Kerry's "Purple Hearts" as you may or maynot know, purple hearts are awarded to someone who is seriously injured in battle, 3 oF them in 4 months is a little farfetched don't you think? I mean the human body can only take so much. I know that at least two of them are bogus. One was awarded on a date where he was not invouvled in armed conflict, the only way that makes sense is that if bullet from an ally's weapon or his own. Another one was awarded and the very next day he went back with a video camera and re-enacted it, some SERIOUS injury that was. Former NYC mayor Ed Koch(D) seems to agree with me on certain specific points he said http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/10/155843.shtml. Do you know what would clear all this BS up? If Kerry allowed his OFFICAL WAR RECORD to be released, he refuses at every pass, why? What secret could be so dark and evil that it can derail any chance of getting elected? I will not offer any suggestions to this as this would be considered speculation when, absolutely not FACTS are known. Onto his buddy Ted Kennedy(the one who supposedly had Kerry pulled out) he keeps saying, "Bush Lied" it seems to be a pattern in order to prove a lie in a scenario which cannot be proved at this current point, you must prove that Bush knew that there were no WMD's in Iraq, and told the people otherwise(my McCarthyist point eariler).
Judging my the number of Death-threats/hate-mail/virused mail I've recieved both at this board and my E-mail address(which happens to be zero, thanks for your concern) that none of the posters that actually read this are not into the ABB(Anybody But Bush) idea. People like Ted Kennedy have conviced people that Bush is Hitler and it's the lowest we could possibly sink.
NOTE: my inital count was mistaken 46,000 are registered in NY & FL 63%(28,900) are registered democrat and 15%(6,900) are registered rupublicain, in an election where 500 votes separated the winner I really doubt it would be that close in a mainly Right-wing state.
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