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Re: Bring Them Back?
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2004, 11:47:26 pm »

That would MIGHT work right up until the point of the Ur-quan refitting the energy cores, or seeing the old ones......

On the other hand - forget the ship buying fuel from the melnorme - You just come back and blast the Ur-quan ship - that is what you did for the illwrath. With any luck, the Ur-quan will be damaged as well.....
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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2004, 08:08:50 am »

...enh. The fact that they were just letting the base starve for over a decade must make the likelihood of suddenly returning *now* seem pretty low, especially since the Ur-Quan have apparently grown so lax that the only response to their robot drone thing was one half-functional freelance Ilwrath Avenger. It's possible that just looking at the Unzervalt facilities gave them no clue as to how complete or well-fueled your Precursor tug was before it launched, and they may assume the Vindicator was just always fully decked out with a huge fuel supply.
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2004, 03:14:54 pm »

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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2004, 06:10:26 am »

LOL...."Lt. Smith you'll be at the light switch turning it on and off!"
I laughed so hard people are subtly moving away from me =p

If the Ur-Quan turned up, wouldn't they know that something is amiss because of the fact that there is absolutely no Heirarchy presence in the system.
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« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2004, 10:40:41 am »

Isn't that the point of leaving the Luna base active?
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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2004, 07:15:00 pm »

You dont, you -atleast- turn it off so its not broadcasting that damn song =p
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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2004, 11:36:52 pm »

I think the Ur-quan would know something is amiss as soon as they find the drone gone - then, after they check with the moon - they would undoubtly know.
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« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2004, 02:11:22 am »

What does everyone think they would do then?  I think they would severely question Hayes, and then, if they find out about the vindicator, they'd destroy the station, at least.
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« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2004, 10:13:17 am »

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What does everyone think they would do then?  I think they would severely question Hayes, and then, if they find out about the vindicator, they'd destroy the station, at least.


"Hayes: Ur-Quan slave law requires that we maintain an orbital space platform." Why would the intentionally force their slaves to break their own laws? I would think that since the Ur-Quan are so preditary, they would hunt as is there life-style. It not in their character to set a trap either.

They might end up killing the entire crew and leave the station abandoned.
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« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2004, 10:35:48 am »

They're also not stupid enough to leave a refueling/refitting outpost for the 'enemy' untouched.
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« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2004, 02:21:07 am »

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"Hayes: Ur-Quan slave law requires that we maintain an orbital space platform." Why would the intentionally force their slaves to break their own laws? I would think that since the Ur-Quan are so preditary, they would hunt as is there life-style. It not in their character to set a trap either.

They might end up killing the entire crew and leave the station abandoned.


Um, the station existing and being crewed is not the violation; as you say, the Ur-Quan were maintaining that base for years before you came.

The violation of the slave laws is outfitting and maintaining an unregistered Precursor starship in the hands of a rogue human captain with the intention of assisting said captain with the overthrow of the Empire. It's hard to see how that doesn't count as "high treason" in most any legal system you could name.

I think it's pretty clear from various points in the game that even if Hayes hadn't actually helped you, it's the solemn duty of *every* loyal Hierarchy member to capture or destroy any free non-Hierarchy ship on sight, never mind a confirmed rebel ship. Had Hayes been doing his duty, the moment you'd mentioned opposing the Ur-Quan he should've sent people to sabotage the Vindicator and disable it.
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« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2004, 08:29:41 am »

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I think the Ur-quan would know something is amiss as soon as they find the drone gone - then, after they check with the moon - they would undoubtly know.

That's not how the Ur-Quan probe worked. It was made to scan the area, intercept and warn any mysterious ships, then ride it's powerful engines back to the Ur-Quan, and report what it found. Unfortunately, it never even got close. A very crippled Ilwrath ship managed to pick it up, and decided to keep the glory to himself. Who knows, maybe the Avenger had gotten most of its damage from trying to capture the probe.

The Ur-Quan left the sol system, to deal with the VERY important battle for the Sa Matra. There weren't any resources to keep track of the slave worlds anymore, and the slave shield is a good piece of tech. It would keep a planet enslaved for a long time. The Ur-Quan trusted their probe, and it would warn them if anything was amiss.... right?  Wink

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Had Hayes been doing his duty, the moment you'd mentioned opposing the Ur-Quan he should've sent people to sabotage the Vindicator and disable it.

Without your help, he would've been dead. You managed to destroy an Ilwrath Avenger in one hit. Don't forget that your flagship is more to scale with a space station, than another starship. Plus, to take wisdom from Fwiffo, you have very big guns, and Hayes didn't. I think with all that, Hayes would have a little respect for you. Cheesy

The commander was reluctant at first. But you were the last hope that Earth had from beating their Ur-Quan opressors. So, he took that chance.

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"Hayes: Ur-Quan slave law requires that we maintain an orbital space platform." Why would the intentionally force their slaves to break their own laws? I would think that since the Ur-Quan are so preditary, they would hunt as is there life-style. It not in their character to set a trap either.

Maybe the space station is important to the slave shield? It may not be making the shield itself, but it could be monitoring it, making small adjustments, etc. Or, it can be used to prepare and refit Ur-Quan ships to penetrate the shield. Hayes never had the Ur-Quan blueprints, so there's no telling how the slave shield and space station could be linked.

Or, maybe the Ur-Quan want their fallow slaves to do something useful for them. If us humans don't want to fight, we at least have to repair and fit their ships, so they can fight. We did destroy many heirarchy ships, so this would be a way of paying the Ur-Quan back.

Lastly, they can watch over the Sol system, and make sure everything is in check, without having to go out of their way. The gas station is right there, so may as well check up on the humans while you're at it.

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They're also not stupid enough to leave a refueling/refitting outpost for the 'enemy' untouched.

The Ur-Quan know that your ship came from Vela. They tried following you, but had lost your trail. They never know where you really went, or what you are doing.  They're also busy losing a war, and have neither the time, nor the resources to do a full scrub of the galaxy, to look for a single ship.

Also, the space station wasn't exactly made for your ship. It took about 2 weeks of hard robotic labor to make the full modifications to both your ship, and the station. When you consider how effective 2000 crew and robotic labor can be in the future, it was probably a complete teardown and rebuild of many important ship and starbase systems. Only after those modifications, could you actually make use of the station.
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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2004, 08:30:02 pm »

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Also, the space station wasn't exactly made for your ship. It took about 2 weeks of hard robotic labor to make the full modifications to both your ship, and the station. When you consider how effective 2000 crew and robotic labor can be in the future, it was probably a complete teardown and rebuild of many important ship and starbase systems. Only after those modifications, could you actually make use of the station.

Red tape. All they may have needed were larger docking clamps or something. It will have taken 13 days just to get the building permit Tongue
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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2004, 02:24:09 am »

I'd think one of the major benefits of going rogue would be skipping all the bureaucracy.
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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2004, 08:11:24 pm »

I know what the Quan would do if they found out the station was servicing a rogue vessel. The same thing they make all their slaves do to rogues who don't submit to the Hierarchy: they'd have the station outfitted with weaponry and it would be forced to attack and destroy the Vindicator next time it came within orbit of Earth.
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