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Chrispy
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I am from Canada, and am a christian, even though I behave more like you described yourself. I believe in the principles of christianity (with some notable exceptions) and not the history.
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The Question has not been answered, which is why this issue exists in the first place. I can't really go into detail on what I think of this matter because that would involve ruthlessly slamming on religious fundamentalism, moderate "pick 'n choose" religion, and atheism.
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Chrispy
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Now how could anyone who believes in the morals of christianity cause bloodshed  .
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Culture20
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Now how could anyone who believes in the morals of christianity cause bloodshed .
I'm going to ignore the rolling-eyes smiley and answer seriously. 
Someone who devoutly believes in the morals of Christianity can very easily cause bloodshed (in the defense of another person).
"And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them." (the golden rule)
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"To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also;"
Are two quotes which many people put together and use to conclude that devout Christians _must_ (by decree from Jesus himself) be pacifists to their death. While this might be true regarding a Christian's own safety, they say nothing about defending someone else by use of deadly force. Jesus didn't say "If a man strikes your neighbor on the cheek, offer him yours (or worse, walk away or offer your neighbor's other cheek)".
The only logical difficulty I might have is with wishing someone to use deadly force to prevent me from murdering someone else (a necessary desire for the golden rule to hold true). But, I suppose that my killer would be preventing me from commiting a grevious wrong (sin; mortal sin according to Catholic church), and I'd be shuffling off to the pearly gates... In that respect I suppose it remains self consistant.
Hopefully that didn't constitute preaching.
Edit: Oh yeah, I'm Christian, not Buddhist, despite my "Enlightened" status.
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« Last Edit: August 20, 2004, 07:12:43 am by Culture20 »
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Chrispy
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Good answer
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ChainiaC
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Me? Atheist plain and simple.
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Crowley
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I guess I also follow personal beliefs that don't really follow any specific religion. As cheesy as the following may sound, it's the best I can do in describing things like that. I believe that there exists something that cannot be directly perceived and measured, a sort of spiritual plane of being, if you prefer. I believe there is some kind of conciousness around that you might as well call God or a god or several gods. I don't know. What I do know is that there is a whole lot of weird stuff happening that I don't think pure science will ever completely explain. As for what happens to people after death, I have no idea. Everybody finds out one day conclusively so why take any stress over it?
For religion in general, I try hard to not blame religion itself for anything but the people who use it. Like any ideological system I think it's a tool at some level that isn't bad or good in itself. It's like how some people think communism is a horrible system to be living in and some blame capitalism for all the evil in the world. The system itself does nothing, it's the people in it.
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Chrispy
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You made some very good points there.
I would go a step farther about life after death. The living should NOT know what happens. That would lead to mass suicide/mass depression and atheism. (atheism isnt bad, but people need something to help them do the right thing, and religion fills that role for many people).
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ChainiaC
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Are you implying that I am some kind of immoral monster then?
(I know you're not I'm just being an annoying nitpicker, and besides concidering my avatar you might answer yes  )
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