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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2004, 05:25:27 pm »

There are some people who believe they do know what happens
to them when they die. Some people firmly believe in their version
of Heaven. The Tibetian Book of the Dead maps out a life-after-death.
Followers of Edgar Cayce often believe that we return to new bodies.
Yet no mass suicide. I think that the reason for this lack of life taking
is a result of the belief systems declaring that life (this life) is very
important.
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2004, 06:21:10 pm »

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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2004, 02:03:44 am »

People firmly believe in life after death yes, but there is still no proof.
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2004, 02:14:28 am »

It is actually highly improbable... though it would be nice.
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2004, 02:43:25 am »

Ya... eternal bliss. That would be nice.
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2004, 04:29:12 am »

I tend to think that we go around and come back again. Life->death->life->death. Sort of a big wheel. To what purpose? Dunno. But I think it
makes as much sense as life->death->still dead->still dead.
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2004, 05:31:51 am »

When we re-encarnate we lose memory of our past life, so how is that much different then life>death>still dead
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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2004, 01:33:54 pm »

Its not. Well for you personally its not anyway, unless... you visit some shady regression hypnotherapy guy and finally remember you where actually napoleon.
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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2004, 06:35:18 pm »

It's been a while since I took a serious look at re-encarnation
thoery, but let me take a hack at it.
What is the difference if we live, then die and stay dead, or
live, die, and are reborn if we lose all memory of our past lives?

The way some belive it to work is similar (in a sense) to Frued's theory
of how the mind works. On a spiritual level, we are said to have three
levels of intellect.
1. The conscience mind that we use and think with every day.
2. The sub-conscience mind which stores distant associations, fears
and deep, forgotten memories.
3. The Super-conscience, which acts as a sub-conscience to the the
sub-conscience.

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When we die, the memories and thoughts we had in the conscience mind are lost. They fade out with our bodies. Important memories or information are past back to the sub-conscience. The sub-conscience then takes over while we are between lives; storng away tidbits of information that we gained during life.

When we are reborn, we gain a new, blank conscience. The sub-conscience passes forward patterns or traits into the conscience mind. However, full memories rarely filter through.

Some people claim that they can pull memories from the sub- (or super-) conscience minds of their past lives. Of course it's hard to prove this either way. However, I believe this to be the theory of why we don't fully remember our past lives.
... assuming we have past lives.
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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2004, 07:41:49 pm »

About having many lives... I have always thought that how does the increase in population fit in that picture?

Do monkeys live many lives? Do we share the lives with them? If I die, is it possible that I reincarnate as a chimpansee?

If only humans have this ability, when did we start having it? When we started walking with two feet instead of four? When we started using tools? When we started talking? When we started having religions?

I am not trying to be a pain-in-the-ass, I just like these questions and hope that some believer can answer them with something more than "don't take it literally" -bullshit.
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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2004, 08:37:59 pm »

Indeed, now that our population grows explosively, new consciousnesses need to be formed (born?) to fill the ranks of reincarnaters becouse of the suprlus of new bodies. However what if the 3rd world war whipes out 95% of the polulation. That would mean the consciousnesses have to be in the reincarnation queue for... almost an eternity. And who decides your place in line? And what does the consciousness do all that time? hybernate??
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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2004, 10:14:02 pm »

I don't really follow reincarnation, but I'll play along.

REINCARNATION THEORYCRAFT: Being in death queue for millions of years isn't bad because you can't think while you're in it. And if there is reincarnation, you're probably going to respawn as a descendant of yours. If your line gets wiped out, you might end up as a third grand cousin type of thing. If those are all gone (unlikely), you end up as different ethnicity. If the species is dead, you trace back to the closest animal (a chimp) and live as those. So if you have a pet Parrot, it may have been a Tyranosaurus at some point. Dumb things like insects probably have souls too, but barely. If the planet's surface gets wrecked, everyone starts off as amoebae again. If the planet is destroyed, then we're either obliterated, we haunt the solar system, or we migrate and start living as aliens.
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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2004, 11:17:09 pm »

I'm wary about reincarnation, but I find life in heaven/hell equally, or even more silly. Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2004, 12:51:15 am »

I know it's one of those things that are impossible to prove/disprove, if any over you die and are reincarnated let us know. BTW I am what is referred to as an A and P Catholic, which basicly means I don't go the mass regularly, but I make sure I attend on certain Holy days(ie.  Ash Wenesday and Palm Sunday etc.)
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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2004, 02:01:52 am »

Um...okay. I am here to tell you that I have been
re-encarnated. I gotta tell you that it's been
quite a trip. What? Don't believe me? Well,
didn't you want someone to come back and settle this
debate? You mean I died for nothing?
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