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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2004, 05:41:31 pm »

I prefer the plot of the first Red Alert. Red Alert 2 was pretty much comedy and the whole Yuri-thing wasn't very believable. The main plot of removing hitler to make Stalin start the WW2 is great as it is.
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2004, 07:12:01 pm »

I agree, as in Red Alert 2, the USA's nuke stockpile gets temporarily offline. (CPU destroyed I think)

Yet, during the entire time you fight, you can't build them or use them on USA's side.

And it never explains how yuri found his "powers" as he must use a metal "thing-a-ma-jinger" to use them.
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Re: I knew it would happen...
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2004, 12:27:44 am »

The one problem with the Zahn Novels is...

the Ysalamiri. They offend my sense of the Force as a mystical force which flows through all living things and binds us all together.

It doesn't say flows through all living things except those within range of Ysalamiri and binds us all together unless we're close to ysalamiri.

Now, it could be adjusted very simply so: the Ysalamiri are powerful force users who simply demand the status quo and don't like peeking. This interpretation does however provide problems from the point of view of the precise range rules laid out and Luke's feeling empty upon entering the field.

This does however have a different feel and screws around with the cloning techniques used. These however could be dropped, not being central. After all, with only 1/5 of the galaxy, I'm sure the Empire still has a couple hundred billion people available to recruit from.
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2004, 05:04:57 pm »

I always wondered about that as well. As I recall (vaguely), the Ysalamari developed this "anti-Force field" in order to protect themselves from predators that somehow used the force to track their prey. (Some sort of dogs that actually went crazy close to Jedis unless I'm mistaken).

But of course, the new SW movies perovided the xplanation. The Ysalamari simply have anti-midi-chlorians, i.e a negative midi-chlorian count. Thus, the force cannot flow through them, or close to them Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2004, 09:07:48 pm »

Midichlorians?

There is no evidence, in or out of movies, that Midichlorians are what enable force power.

Quai-gon Jin claims the midichlorian count correlates with force attunement, not causes it.

Furthermore, his presenting this data to the Jedi Council seems not to fly very well. It could be that Midichlorians are not established bedrock theory, and many jedi don't agree with the connection.


SO, Midichlorians could be a class of things which a force-sensitive person will tend to make more of, or attract; or they could have to do with manipulation of the force (as you assumed); or it could be some weird self-actualizing theory that QGJ measures fine but others do not (i.e. his force detects someone else's force, his force goes out and tweaks the midichlorian level based on his belief that it should; this effect is then measured).
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Re: I knew it would happen...
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2004, 11:27:50 pm »

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I have a great idea for c&c red alert.  
time:1943
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They already did a plot-type-thing for RA2. I don't remember it in it's entirety, but when RA2 is installing, it explains the entire plot.

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I agree, as in Red Alert 2, the USA's nuke stockpile gets temporarily offline. (CPU destroyed I think)


In the FMV at the beginning of RA2, Yuri controls a desk jockey into NOT opening the hatches to the nuclear missile silos, making them obliterate themselves. I assume it happened all across the U.S. And I thought you LIKED RA2!!

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And it never explains how yuri found his "powers" as he must use a metal "thing-a-ma-jinger" to use them.

Soviet Psychic Training. They were all about that during the Cold War. Remove viewing, mind control, telekinesis, anything they could come up with to spy on or alter the Americans.
Hmm. Mind control...telekinesis...pyrokinesis...
*leaves to go play Psi Ops*
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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2004, 07:28:50 pm »

WOW, Necro, you are on me for this one, but so you should, lets start, shall we? Wink

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Falcon(of all people!): [snip] And I thought you LIKED RA2!! [/snip]


First of all, I love RA2, the units, the even battle field, the surprise of your enemy when you send a few kirovs and iron curtained apocs driving through their base.  (The visa-versa is not so great though.....) Anyway, I love playing RA2.

I just think that they have one or two holes in their storyline, thats all. That does not change how much I love the gameplay at all though.

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In the FMV at the beginning of RA2, Yuri controls a desk jockey into NOT opening the hatches to the nuclear missile silos, making them obliterate themselves. I assume it happened all across the U.S.


Well, lets see what these people have to say about it.

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Its nuclear arsenal temporarily disabled, the U.S. gathers its conventional forces—and some unconventional ones. Using its own time-warp technology to thwart the Soviet foes, the U.S. and its allies rally to stop Romanov's twisted plan. Will it be Stars and Stripes or Hammer and Sickle? The final battle—on American soil, in American cities—will determine the fate of the free world.


From : http://www.eagames.com/official/cc/redalert2/english/gameinfo.jsp

Anyway this is where I got my idea from, from westwood of all places! (This might also be in the game manuals too.) - I thought (and still think) that it only happened to one missile silo, while the rest were disabled another way. (No idea why, though CPU meltdown pops in my head for some reason….)

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Soviet Psychic Training. They were all about that during the Cold War. Remove viewing, mind control, telekinesis, anything they could come up with to spy on or alter the Americans.
Hmm. Mind control...telekinesis...pyrokinesis...
*leaves to go play Psi Ops*


ahhh…. Right, my big bad on this one… my friend just reminded me that it is in the video as you install, which I did not see because I turned off the monitor and sound and went out. So, what did I do? Well, just a few minutes ago I uninstalled and reinstalled the game just to see it.  Grin
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Re: I knew it would happen...
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2004, 11:02:54 pm »

That whole phone-mind-control thing bothered me. You THINK the U.S. gov't would have a call tracer powerful enough to detect where it's coming from before it's answered, especially within their own nuclear launch facilities, but nooo...
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2004, 01:29:04 am »

Also, would it not be better to mind-control the president?
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2004, 02:16:20 am »

Well, if they did that, there wouldn't be a game. Russia would win and the expansion would be only Soviets vs. Yuri. I personally enjoy using things like the Chrono Legionarrie and Prism Tanks to obliterate a base.

So, no. It wouldn't make sense to mind control the president (right away) to take over the entire country. It's FAR more bright to take over a single missile site operator and make him not push the "open door" button. Duh!  Tongue
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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2004, 05:48:47 pm »

No, no, What I am saying is that for the soviets, it would make much more sense.
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Re: I knew it would happen...
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2004, 10:34:46 pm »

I know.
I was being sarcastic.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2004, 11:04:02 am »

This is funny.  I never would have thought my topic would trigger such discussions.  

I personally have never seen the Resident Evil movie.  Although I did see the part where some of the people get locked in a hall and lasers get involved.

Red Alert 2 was a good game.  The "good guys" actually got some decent base defenses with the prism towers.  Compared to vulcan cannons and the rpg from Tiberian Sun.  Although the rpg did get powerful if you had around ten of 'em.  

While on the the topic of C&C what is your favorite memory while playing the games?
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2004, 06:53:55 pm »

Being Nod, raiding this base to pick up a package, and then being ambushed. All of my forces except for one tank were annihilated, and the tank was at about 2% health. It was verrry sllooowwwlly running away, being chased down by verry sllloowly running infantry. Just as it entered the destination point, one of those infantry launched a missile, and I am quite sure that if the level had not ended at that precise moment it would have been destroyed.

It was just one of those moments.

Much like when I was playing the level of Broodwar in which you are told to kill all of the scientists... my base was being wiped out and my only units were three mutalisks which had made it past the missile turret defenses. Just a few seconds before the enemy would have wiped out my base (thus making me lose), I managed to find the last scientist, and won.
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2004, 03:10:22 pm »

I witnessed an excellent game of Starcraft once...

My brother was playing a duel against a friend and all that was left from their massive battle, was one reaver (the protoss wormy-guys) of the friends' army. There were no minerals left in the map and my brother had none in the storage.

The reaver started then trashing around the zerg base with longer range than the ground defense structures. It took about 10 minutes until all zerg units and structures that are capable of combat, had died. We sometimes still tell jokes about a worm that destroys everything.
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