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Re: This has been bugging me for YEARS !
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2002, 11:55:32 am »

Um, did eveyrone else read the same post that I just did?

First off, the similarities between SC2 and the story of that guy who says he met aliens are no greater than those between the guy's story and a great many other scifi stories, as I believe others have mentioned.

Second, this UFO stuff is just a total load of BS!  I'm sorry to be so blunt, but go get an education and acquire some critical thinking skills, for pete sake.  Or if you want quicker results, read something by Carl Sagan, like "Demon Haunted World."
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Re: This has been bugging me for YEARS !
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2002, 08:22:40 pm »

First of all, I have my share of critical thinking AND education, thank you. No need to tell me what to do ok ?  

Second, thanks for the Carl Sagan thing. I wanted to read his stuff for some time now, just never reached out enough..

Personally the Sweits guy has a point there. I dont if thats the truth he is saying, but there something behind it fo' sho' IMHO.
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Re: This has been bugging me for YEARS !
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2002, 09:05:50 pm »

Was that website even around when SC2 was being made?
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Re: This has been bugging me for YEARS !
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2002, 06:40:27 am »

Was that website even around when SC2 was being made?

That would be kinda hard, considering that the original web browser, NCSA Mosaic, didn't debut until about the same time that SC2 did. For that matter, the term "World Wide Web" and the more widespread use of Mosaic didn't come until probably close to a year afterward.

Wait a second. The "web" (actually http) is 10 years old?  Oh, geez, do I suddenly feel old...  
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Re: This has been bugging me for YEARS !
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2002, 08:12:04 am »

Ya, it was kind of a rhetorical question.  Wink
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Re: This has been bugging me for YEARS !
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2002, 08:14:04 am »

...reason being that although TFB could have done specific research on this organization, I'd bet that there's absolutely no connection at all.  And perhaps the stuff on the web pages are of recent origin, i.e. written specifically for the website.

Who knows, eh.
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Re: This has been bugging me for YEARS !
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2003, 10:50:38 pm »

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Didn't read your text too well but as for Arilou being the human race protector is not as sweet as it sounds. The only intrest they have in us is similar anatomy. We are their replacement parts! (sorry for the spoil. This is revealed in SC3)


Eh, I never take SC3 as canon. Having never played it myself (though I have a burning curiosity to see the direction it went) I tend to go by only the events in SC2 as 'true' or 'accurate'.

But anyways, I always figured that the Arilou's commentry:

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Believe me, Captain, we have known each other for a very long time.
You might even say that we knew the first human.

But as to your question... our relationship
To call our interaction with your kind an experiment would be much too simple and impersonal.
Let us just say that we have a vested interest in your... development.
You are one of our... extended family, just as other sentients in other dimensions
have their extended families.
We are proud of you as you would be of your children, and some day
well, I have said too much already.


And the fact that they constantly refer to you as 'child' instead of 'precocious human' and the fact that they claimed to have known the first human, indicated to me that the first human was artificially and genetically created by Arilou. The similarity in genetic structure also hints that Earthlings may actually be a subspecies of Arilou. (as Pkunk are to Yehat?)

I imagine that Earthlings are an experiment in genetic diversity. The Arilou probably hit a plateau of evolutionary development, and they need a fresh pool of less evolved Arilou genes in which to perform a biological study of evolution occurring in a different direction than that which the Arilou underwent. So they opened up a project in which they 'cleaned up' some of their genetic structure, making it more rudimentary, more primitive, and giving it a chance to evolve again from scratch.

The following seems to support the concept of a 'cleaner, as-of-yet-unevolved gene pool'.

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Hello my clever child. We have met again and I am pleased.
Your people are so beautiful... so unspoiled.
Your instincts are like perfume... your motives a shimmering crystal.


The earlier note of 'vested interest' in Earthling development and the promise of what will happen to the Arilou relatives (us Earthlings) 'someday', seem to remark on a fact that eventually Earthlings will be reincorporated into the Arilou race. Or the best aspects of our similar (and yet evolved along a different direction) genetic structure, anyways.

An alternative but similar theory being that the first 'human' was really simply a genetically modified Arilou. A study in immunity to denizens of the other dimension/planes. (Basically, Orz and company. The folks who might 'see' us, the ones whom we 'do not want to be seen' by.) A modified Arilou made to be more 'basic' and 'primitive' so that it could evolve again-- but this time with the proper tinkering over long periods of time so that the whole subrace's genetic structure could be immune to detection by the 'others'. Incorporate this newfound and (eventually) utterly reliable genetic 'invisibility' into Arilou DNA, and suddenly they have a new weapon in this (losing?) war against the 'others'. Basically, a way to see your enemy without being seen. Or maybe not even a weapon. Maybe just a way to hide from the aggressors in a losing war.
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Re: This has been bugging me for YEARS !
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2003, 04:55:01 am »

Running with that idea --

Perhaps the Arilou wanted  to figure out what it was about them that made them special, so they took a tiny (1%) portion of their genes and implanted them into a proto-human, and watched. If we do extra-well, then they know that they got it right and what makes them special is what they put in us.
It that's the case, you could almost say that we're Arilou where it counts - it's the parts around the edges that differ.

Maybe they're in fact trying to do this because they have been subtly infected or genetically damaged in some way and want to see what parts of themselves they can safely excise without diminishing themselves.
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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2003, 05:58:02 am »

To use the orz terms which seem to work better, is it possible, perhaps, that arilou are actually arilou 'fingers', and humanity is an attempt to port the arilou race to a different dimension instead of just intruding upon it with fingers?
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2003, 06:59:41 pm »

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To use the orz terms which seem to work better, is it possible, perhaps, that arilou are actually arilou 'fingers', and humanity is an attempt to port the arilou race to a different dimension instead of just intruding upon it with fingers?


I always chalked up the Orz's inability to communicate clearly with other races as the sign of the fragmented id of a graeter other-dimensional being who is completely immersed in their home enviroment and thus has to relate to things in terms of how physics operate in their plane of existence, whereas the Arilou are explorers to those realms but not denizens (They have a homeworld in a TrueSpace Eddy within QuasiSpace, afterall.)

Of course you could be completely right and accurate. It could be that 'Arilou fingers' have had a much longer time to adapt to TrueSpace and its denizens and whatnot.
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2003, 07:14:27 pm »

An interesting question that is raised by that is, how did the Arilou homeworld come to be in a truespace "eddy"? ahs it always been there, or was it moved thetre? And ifso, form where, and how. And if it always was there, how does that work? They just happened to evolve in this nice little niche, exitable only through Quasispace?
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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2003, 08:48:43 pm »

I'm inclined to believe that every space has its natives, and a few of them are capable of shifting from one space to another. Arilou are from our space and capable of shifting around; Orz are from a different space.

I wonder what lives in Hyperspace? *Nggn*, was it? Apparently they do not know how to shift out of it. What about the Keel-verezy?
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2003, 08:53:15 pm »

That raises the intersting question of where in HS the Nggn live. What the Arilou say seems to imply that they kind of "swim" around in it, like HS was some darn big ocean. But they can't be the only creature out there in that case, there must be some sort of ecosystem surely?

And if they actually live on anything remotely alike our planets, but in HS, what do these ook like, and why haven't we seen them? It'd certainly be interesting to make contact... But, I suppose we aren't *solid* enough.
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Re: This has been bugging me for YEARS !
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2003, 09:19:14 pm »

I would say that Faliraliwhateverally, the Arilou homeworld, probably existed in truespace first... and then when they developed their portal spawner technology, they whisked it away into Quasispace where it would be much much safer.
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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2003, 11:00:46 am »

I had a thought that, originally, humans came from the Syreen homeworld and the Arilou transported them to Earth.

Syreens and humans are genetically compatable and are capable of producing hybrid young. These hybrids are capable of breeding as well. This means that humans and Syreens are the precise same species, since otherwise they would produce infertile young or wouldn't reproduce at all.

This would explain why the Arilou 'knew the first human'. They would obviously know the Syreen transports they brought to Earth.

I think a species *smell* has more to do with their _culture_ than their biology. The Androsynth had a much different culture than the mainline humans, which eventually led to the Orz *smelling* them. Likewise, the Syreen may have also been on a course (or may still be on a course) to become *smelly*. If the Arilou could detect this cultural bias, it would make sense to transport a maliable segment of the population to Earth where they could be properly culturally trained.

Why would they do this? Good question.
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