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Topic: Arilou and the Orz: What's the Deal? *spoilers* (Read 108145 times)
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Garthor
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Here's my new take on it:
Basically, both the Arilou and the Orz want control of the humans for one reason or another. The Orz don't like being asked about the Androsynth. Why is that, do you think? Because the Orz were tricked into thinking that the Androsynth were human! The Orz thought that the Androsynth were humans, and thus assimilated them, killed them, ate them, whatever. But, after this process, they learned that the Androsynth weren't the humans, even though they were almost exactly the same. They *smelled* the same as humans, but there was one main distinction: their history/future. You see, the Orz and the Arilou have been fighting a long war, with the Arilou trying to prevent the Orz from entering TrueSpace. When the Orz managed to put it's *fingers* into TrueSpace, it immediately *smelled* humans. The humans it *smelled,* however, were the Androsynth.
Now, let's back up a second... why were the Orz and the Arilou so obsessed with the humans? I have two theories. The first is that the humans would, in some way, play a major role in the Orz - Arilou war. This would most likely be a portion of the true Star Control 3, either as being mentioned, or what actually happens during it. My second theory though, is that the humans are the Arilou. This, of course, has been said before. The Arilou wish to protect the humans because they are them, only in the past. The Arilou have already mentioned how they are in many places and *times* at once, so it makes sense that the Orz could have this ability too.
Well, I would say more, but I have to go now.
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Lukipela
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I like the idea of the Orz mistaking the Androsynth for Humans. However, if this is true, then why don't they attempt to do the same to us as they did to them (assuming they did it). I mean they did whatever it was to the whole Androsynth nation (which I seem to recall having a sphere of influence of their own?) without too much trouble. However, the Humans only have a puny starbase, a slave shielded planet and one battlegroup of ships at hand. Admittedly ones flagship is stronger than the Orz, but fighting didn't seem to help the Synths squat. they just disappeared. So wy wouldn't the Orz assimilate us immediately?
The timetravelidea always gives me a headache, cuz it makes for such a problematic plot : ) either neither side can change whatever happened in the past, seeing as it's already happened in their future OR they did change it in the past and that's why the future looks like it does. They always went back, so they have to do it again. either way, the outcome in the future will be the same...
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On the other hand, both races do mention not viewing time like we do, so maybe it's more probable than I thought from the beginning?
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Garthor
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Yeah, I was going to mention exactly why the Orz thinks that the humans are different form the Androsynth, but I ran out of time. Basically, the Orz can't see other beings, only *smell* them. Either this *smell* change wasn't present in the Androsynth, or it required constant revision, and the humans were due for a checkup when the Androsynth were created. Either that, or after being tricked to think the Androsynth were humans, the Orz is / are now more cautious, and want to find out more about the humans before deciding that they really are humans. (Damn, it feels weird to refer to the humans as "they.")
Also, on the topic of time travel, neither the Orz nor the Arilou can do anything about the future, because they're too evenly matched. That's why the Arilou are recruiting the humans, and the Orz are trying to stop them. And then, once the goal is accomplished, the universe (including seperate dimensions, thus the prefix "uni," meaning "one.") will collapse in on itself and destroy everything, bringing a nice, un-sequalable ending.
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I think the reason the Arilou and the Orz are interested in the humans are for different reasons.
It is evident that the Orz did something to the androsynth, which I think had something to do with assimilating, or *dissolving* them. The Orz also seem to want to assimilate you, also.
Next you must *dissolve* and *become* the second time. Orz will help you *dissolving*.
They couldn't find or exist in true space until they found the androsynth, so perhaps whatever they did to the androsynth empowered them do do something they normally could not?
On the otherhand, the Arilou are interested in humans I think because of thier great potential. I can't remember if this was said in Sc2 or Sc3 (I know Sc3 is irrelovent to anything, but I can't remember which one it's in, or both, sorry for my vaugeness), but someone mentions that humans are one of the few races that uplifted themselves into space. The sofixti were uplifted by the yehat, the urquan were nurtured by the miliue, the Mrrnmrrhm (sp?) were created by the precursurs and were no doubt given star-faring technology, and so on. This shows great potential in the human race, not to even mention the fact your commander leads the war.
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Lukipela
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Maybe that is the Arilou's interest in us? To stop the Orz. They might not gove a rats ass about us otherwise, but for some reason we are the most likely tobring the Orz into this dimension, due to some inherent trait we have (Much like the Ur-quan were the likeliest to destroy the sentient Milieu because they were least resistant to mindcontrol. The others races fell under the Dnyarri as well, but they much preferred Quan's cause they were the easiest.)
If they percieve time differently, then maybe they know that one of the few way for the Orz to get in is through us. Possibly because of our tendencies to experiment with anything, regardless of consequences. Maybe they just don't like the idea of having the Orz in the neighbourhood, considering them slum from *below*, or they might be worried about what stupid "Lenny" could actually do here...
Btw. if the androsynth smelled differently cuz they hadn't had their last checkup, doesn't that indicate that the Arilou are very busy littel buggers? I mean, tin that case they'd have to change the *smell* of humanity on a constant basis, and if they missed even one... Bye bye hunams!
I think the *smell* thing is more something that we all have, but which becomes stronger with knowledge of certain things.
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Kizor - thanks for inferring that I'm mad.
Okay, though this has little relevance to the actual discussion let's clear this up, shall we?
Take another look at my previous post. I did not say, state, imply, hint, suggest or, indeed, infer that you are mad. K? What I was saying is that making my previous post was an act of madness on my part because by doing so I risked getting into a debate with you, from which we can deduce that I obviously think that you're a good debater. Thus, what you seem to have taken offense at seems to be classifiable as 'compliment'.
Unless that comment of yours was sophisticated sarcasm that went completely over my head, of course.
But I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong (yes, Kizor, it's possible),
Okay, now you're finding things from my posts that I never put there.
But to keep this post from becoming completely irrelevant, I find it possible that translated Orzspeech only has the present tense not because untranslated Orzese also has only one tense, but because of the strangeness and unorthodoxiness (is that a word?) of the language. Example: My native language, Finnish, has no future tense whatsoever. Instead, we use the present one, and get by well with everyone figuring things out from context. However, were a foreigner presented with a stream of Finnish babble ... *is chased off the public computer he's using*
Damn. Let me get back to you on that.
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night_rogue
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Night_rouge:
It's in SC3. Zor-Ath (Ur-Quan Lord #3) talks about how the Humans and the Ur-Quan are among the few speices to uplift themselves into space.
Your right, sorry about that.
Even so, the humans do have a great potential, though they are not physically strong like the Urquan, or as wise as the Chenjesu, or anything like that. Perhaps the Arilou sees this as the possibility that we might someday ascend to where they are, much like a parent will raise a child. The arilou do mention that they look upon us in a paternal kind of way. Seeing as we are close physically to the Arilou, they see the potential in humans.
Then again, maybe not, because they show little interest in the Androsynth and the Syreen, and both of those races are also very close physically, so it can't have anything to do with appearance.
I don't know, I confused myself. Maybe they're just perverts like Admiral ZEX or something.
Anyone else have thoughts on this? Why do the Arilou take interest in humans?
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We did. You did. Yes we can. No.
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"You drew pictures of us on your cave walls..."
then came the X-Files...
A little narcissism and arrogance, anyone? I mean, really look how utterly condescending they are.
That's the cheap answer.
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We did. You did. Yes we can. No.
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Well, maybe the voice actor was just grating. "Good-bye my child" yecch. Anyway, I don't believe this answer. I just felt like saying they are here because of the X-files, because of the irony.
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