Author
|
Topic: Arilou and the Orz: What's the Deal? *spoilers* (Read 98208 times)
|
|
creativename
Zebranky food
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 11
|
I have to say, the idea that the Orz are a drone race, with a collective conciousness is a lot more belivable to me than the idea that the Orz is an entity, that somehow projects itself into our entity.
Yeah, I would also think that, however TFB has explicity said that the Orz is a projection of a singular entity. Here's a link to the famous chat (forgive me if this has already been posted, but I didn't see it):
http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/history/files/scchatlog.txt
This is a great topic BTW; I've read through every post over the past few days.
I'll add one hypothesis that I haven't seen anybody mention: What if the Taalo were the "ghosts" that the Androsynth were researching? While the Taalo *slid* out of Truespace, perhaps some vestigal remnants of themselves was left on their world as an imprint and manifests as apparitions; or, perhaps *pretty space* in this case is a parallel dimension where they would still present on their homeworld in some sense, but invisible to creatures in this dimension (this doesn't match with the little we know about *pretty space* though).
I don't really believe that the ghosts are the Taalo, as the poltergeists appear to be either the "slashers" or the Orz, and clearly the Taalo wouldn't be either the "slashers" or the Orz. I did think the idea was interesting though.
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
PsiPhi
Frungy champion
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 73
To be idle is to be ideal
|
Kizor - I just want to clarify that I was joking. Yes, that was a bit of sarcasm, but I took no offense. It's near impossible to convey here that I'm kidding around without me saying it explicitly. When I said I smiled when I saw that people had taken the time to read through all these posts, I meant it. I know you were complimenting me. If you actually took the time to read through all these debates, that is a great compliment to every one who has contributed. The reason I said "But I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong (yes, Kizor, it's possible)", is that good debater or not, I have been convinced that other's ideas had more merit than mine. So, although I was not offended by you saying it was madness to argue with me, I was concerned that you would think it futile to try. It was just my sarcastic way of saying, "Don't give up. I'll listen."
Matticus - I'm glad to see you posted your thoughts.
Concerning the humans not being the center of everything because the cruiser is a ship with limitations, and in SC1 they were low on the list, let's not delude ourselves that this continues on into SC2. Yes, the Alliance lost. Yes, the humans on Earth were slave-shielded. But a human, you as captain, saved EVERYONE from total annihilation at the hands of the Kohr-Ah. Yes, you could not have done it alone, single-handedly. So many contributed to the cause through ships, crew, technology and information, but in the end, you as a human, along with the incredible ship you commanded were the focal point through which final victory was realized. Aside from the commander and crew on the starbase and the people of Vela, humanity as a whole may have played a small role in contribution, but it was a human that blew up his treasured ship to make the total difference. If that doesn't make humans important in the SC universe, then what does? I don't believe the Orz are interested in humans alone. They not only mention that the are interested in the Taalo, but I recall they also approached the VUX, although they ended up *dancing* because the VUX constantly asked about the Androsynth. The Orz are interested in our dimension and its species as a whole. Why specifically? I don't know and neither does any one else here. We can all just speculate. The Arilou on the other hand, are interested in humans specifically ... almost blindly. They really don't seem to care about any of the other local species (other than rescuing the Dnyarii). Whether they care about other species in other places ... again, pure speculation. (Unless you count the Nggn)
Aside from the recent connection made with Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, which I really only find sort of humorous to contemplate (a bunch of Space-Lennys ... LOOK-OUT Space-rabbits!), I feel that this thread may be exhausting itself in fresh ideas. I see the same sort of posts showing up, asking the same questions, trying to squeeze information out of the same text, with little more than pure speculation. Even some of the speculation is starting to sound repetitive.
I think wminsing may be right. Even I'm overwhelmed at the size of this thread.
-PsiPhi
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Novaya Havoc
Zebranky food
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 2
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
|
I thought I would add my own ideas into the fray:
1) "Arilou are from *above*. Orz are from *below*." What the hell is this supposed to mean?
Others have explained this fairly well -- Arilou and Orz are each from different dimensions, but the Arilous are from a dimension more like our own, whereas the Orz dimension would be more energy/psonic based as opposed to a physics-based one.
In the Arilou dimension your ship can still fly, your bodies are still intact, and the Arilou also exist.
Since the Orz say Hyperspace is *heavy* it would lead me to believe that the *below* is more energy as opposed to matter.
2) "We seek to trap *Nggn*, but they dart and leap. YOU cannot catch *Nggn*, do not even try. I don't think you are quite solid enough." What the hell is this supposed to mean?
The Arilou are basically saying that there are forces and creatures that exist that either we, as humans, naturally cannot sense, or from which the Arilou have hid us. I would think the *Nggn* are the former; we cannot sense the *Nngn* and do not have the ability to "catch" them by our physical means.
The Arilou alluded to this many times, saying that "[we] don't want to be seen" and the like, and the Melnorme also allude to this by mentioning Keel-Vereenzy vessels or something similar. The *Nggn* are no different.
3) Can anyone make a good translation of the Orz language, of the best terms to use for the terms in their lingual best-fits?
Off-hand? Sorry! Others have done this, though -- kudos to all of you.
4) What ARE the Orz? The way they talk, it seems like they are actually one single entity that somehow projects multiple selves in our dimension ("I am Orz. I am one with many *fingers* My *fingers* spread into *heavy space*, etc. etc.). And what the hell DID they do with the Androsynth?
The Orz are most likely a psychic being from another dimension. Everything the Orz says alludes to a single identity, and the Arilou also support that idea.
The Androsynth were "pulled" into the psychic dimension once they opened a portal into their dimension through IDF practices.
The Androsynth were all probably pulled because they were clones. The humans could not be seen because Androsynth and Humans do not have the same genetic make-up; all Androsynth do, however. It wouldn't be too hard to pull them all in once one was discovered.
The Human who was "seen" in Vulpeculae suffered from wounds all over his body that became increasingly worse. He was "seen" but all of humanity was not -- the genetic construct is different.
Either the attack is psychic -- creating some sort of horrendous "placebo-effect-gone-wrong" or it is from an invisible, metaphysical Orz assailer. <shrug>
To relate to SC3: the same happened to the Supox; all of the colony Supox were taken by the Orz, but the Arilou clearly tell you that all other Supox -- in the Lyrae stars -- are fine. This shows that the Androsynth were clearly a special case and why NONE exist. Even some Shofixti survived in extreme cases, like Tanaka, when thought extinct. There are no reported Androsynth.
5) On the topic of Orz language, what do you think they mean when they say that the Taalo are playing *time tricks* on them in *pretty space*?
Most likely that the Taalo's inherent psonic-resistance abilities -- that made them the target of the Dynarri since the Taalo could not be controlled -- are doing the similar to the Orz, either because they are alive and countering the Orz in psychic *below* or through vicarious means such as the Taalo Shield interfering with the Orz IDF portal(s) into *below.* Take your pick.
6) What does it mean when the Orz say that the Arilou are always *jumping in front*?
The Arilou probably prevented the Orz from entering Hyperspace, as well as from recognizing and taking *campers.* The Androsynth problem could not be avoided as they were a clone race without reproductive abilities; hence, no genetic diversity.
7) Again, what DID happen to the Androsynth? Why did they look up information about ghosts and poltergiests on their computers when recearching dimensional fatigue?
Ghosts and poltergeists have to do with energy -- includiong psonic energy -- which the Orz and Arilou possess. The Pkunk do have psychic abilities, but theirs is more of a clairvoyance as opposed to the former species' control or dominance.
The rest I explained above.
---
Those are just my ideas! Take care!
-Ben
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
FalconMWC
Enlightened
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1059
Avatar Courtesy of Slyrendro
|
Yes, and now everyone will agree on the subject (for the most part anyway.)!
|
|
« Last Edit: February 04, 2004, 05:21:27 am by FalconMWC »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|