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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2005, 06:18:55 am »

More than that, B5 is a totally cheesy show in just every respect, and I don't mean that in a good way.  The acting and dialogue are some of the worst I've ever seen.  Yeah, yeah, I know it has some grand plot running over the entire show, but it appears to be utterly soulless.  It is pretty clear that whoever is responsible for the writing in the show is poorly socialized and poorly educated (or at least doesn't let any education transfer to the writing).  I have trouble seeing how any 'grand plot' resulting from the same ilk being worth my time.
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2005, 01:32:08 pm »

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It is pretty clear that whoever is responsible for the writing in the show is poorly socialized and poorly educated (or at least doesn't let any education transfer to the writing).  I have trouble seeing how any 'grand plot' resulting from the same ilk being worth my time.


Tell us what grand achievements in literature give you the authority spill out crap like this?
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2005, 05:31:57 pm »

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Tell us what grand achievements in literature give you the authority spill out crap like this?


Since when you need to achive something in literature to give your opinion on the subject?

I agree with Baltar about B5, I never could bear to watch an entire episode. As for graphics... I could point you to people that do better stuff in their free time.

As for my favourite series... Star Trek TNG, I guess. But I say that based on sentiment and childhood memories. I don't know, if I could bear to watch a single Star Trek episode today either.
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2005, 05:44:43 pm »

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One does not need to be able ot write abbok to have an opinion on one. Likewise does one not need to be able to play the guitar to have an opinion on guitar music. That is oner of the oldest and weakest retorts in a debate like this.

Besides, these are opinions. I liked the B5 plot, especially aroudn season 3 onwards when it started getting more involved, forgoing the one-epsiode adventures. And I seem to recall the graphic got steadily better as the series progressed. I would say that it's a bit foolhardy to dismiss the entire longspanning plot on the basis of "well, the few epsidoes I watched were crap so I decided not to watch the rest", but then again that depends on how many episodes were watched, of which I have no knowledge.

Each to their own though, everyone doesn't have to like or enjoy the same thing.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2005, 06:01:37 pm »

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I would say that it's a bit foolhardy to dismiss the entire longspanning plot on the basis of "well, the few epsidoes I watched were crap so I decided not to watch the rest"


Ah... but what other way of dismissong a series do you see?
Watching more then 3 crappy episodes would, in my eyes, make you a masochist.

If I see a very bad show, I'll change the channel the next time it's on. If a friend of mine tells me that the show is good, and I must have seen a realy bad episode, then perhaps I'll give it another try. If it turns out the the show is still crap, then I'll avoid it like the plague, unless my friend would be very persuasive and would convince me to watch it one more time.... but after that, you'd have to tie me to a chair and force my eyes open a'la Clockwork Orange.
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2005, 06:18:18 pm »

Well, if a show claims to have an underlying story that will tie in, I'd give it 5 or 6 episodes to see if it picks up. Of course, the "How many episodes" question is directly tied into the "How awful did you think the first epsiodes you watched were", which is pure opinion. For all I know, you might feel much more strongly about television shows than me in general, meaning that if I had your level of commitment I might not watch more than 3 episodes either. Since that's just a wee bit hard to measure, the conjecture is pointless.

So to reiterate, when I wrote my previous post, I was thinking 5 or 6 epsiodes, but in light of this I'd have to say there really is no guideline.

Objectively though, I'd say that someone watching fewer episodes of something because of their low pain threshold or whatnot are less able to make a serious judgement about the series as a whole. Thus, saying I watched one epsiode and made the logical conjecture that the entire series is utter crap can be a very inaccurate statement.

In conclusion, if you haven't watched more than a "few" episodes of something, while you are certainly entitlted to your own opinions, maybe you should not be so eager to give such harsh critique to the series as a whole, and rather let those better fit to do so handle it?
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2005, 09:54:11 pm »

"Objectively though, I'd say that someone watching fewer episodes of something because of their low pain threshold or whatnot are less able to make a serious judgement about the series as a whole."

Oow, the hate is swelling in you now. . .take your weapon. . .strike him down with it. . .

Hehe, I never knew B5 was such a hot topic. And Luki, behind the veneer of euro intellectualism, you have the heart of a true berserker. I like it.
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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2005, 10:11:40 pm »

I on the other hand like the phrase "thin veneer of euro intellectualism". I shall have to make use of that somewhere.

EDIT: Waddaya know. I added thin myself because I thought it was appropriate. How Freudian.
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2005, 11:23:41 pm »

Well you're actually quite lucky, you could have a veneer of american intellectualism (which is worse) or you could be entirely evil (like me).
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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2005, 11:45:57 pm »

As for the graphics in B5, remember when it was produced. CG was still in its infancy. I'm not surprised that people could do better in their spare time, with the tools available now.

I'm not fanatic about the show. Heck, I can cringe at Gray 17 is missing just as much as anyone else... but the show points well enough that I can see where it was aimed, and I like what I see.
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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2005, 01:37:10 am »

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As for the graphics in B5, remember when it was produced. CG was still in its infancy. I'm not surprised that people could do better in their spare time, with the tools available now.

Exactly.

I think that critisizing persona of JMS (or any other) on basis of something he wrote (or did NOT write, some episodes were written by others, maybe Baltar saw only a couple of those, or maybe not...) is plain stupid. Well, I'm a fan of the show, and I use that as an excuse for my less than polite words earlier...
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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2005, 03:12:15 am »

'm actually not that much of a fan, surprisingly enough. I have seen quite a few episodes, especially from the final seasons, but I don't try to deny that the series had flaws as well as virtues.

As an interesting sidenote, I caught a glimpse of a episode from B5 season one today (A friend had bought the DVD), and it seems all CG effects have been remade. They are still far from brilliant, but they are a lot better than they originally were...
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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2005, 06:56:10 am »

star trek. too bad its been cancelled Cry

firefly. why, god, why? again, cancelled.

stargate. i watch it when i can.

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« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2005, 05:04:13 am »

yes i did. very well done i might add. the gorn was a little over the top but all in all one of my favorite enterprise episodes.
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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2005, 05:49:43 am »

It was a bittersweet moment learning Enterprise had been cancelled, but only because of my fondness for TOS and TNG.  Star Trek should have stopped with the conclusion of The Next Generation.  Everything since that point used 'Star Trek' in name only and dispensed with its original mission.  From the sounds of it Enterprise tried a few times but the piss poor writing quality prevented it from meeting the standard.

And yeah, I caught the mirror universe 'remake'; it was an abyssmal pile.  It had no connection with the series at large and just stumbled along from one cliche and crappy 'twist' to the next.  Oh and ending on a cliffhanger--(sarcasm) BRILLIANT!!! (/sarcasm)  It only proves how aimless the whole effort was.  Oh wait, they just wanted to needlessly rehash an element of the old series and nothing more.  mission successful I guess.  Woohoo!  What a waste of two hours.
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