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Topic: Favorite SciFi *VILLAN!* (Read 13067 times)
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Crowley
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Hmm... Adelai Niska and Adrian Veidt.
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Mysterio
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This thread may be old news or whatnot, but I thought I might give my two cents.
My favorite SciFi villain - and, indeed, of anything ever (tied, perhaps, with Shylock from Merchant of Venice)- is Darth Vader. Not only because he's big, scary, super-powered, merciless, and James Earl Jones, but also because he's more than one-dimensional. He wants to make Luke join the dark side because it's the evil thing to do, and as far as he's concerned, he's all evil. But he has some hidden emotion for his son that not even he's aware of...
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Death 999
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... For the sake of Evil as EVIL is not why Darth Vader does what he wants to do, including wanting Luke to come to the dark side. Vader thinks the Galaxy can only be brought to peace by force, without an underlying consensus. To do that, one needs the mentality of the dark side.
He thinks he's doing the right thing most of the time, but gets a little carried away. He's in denial. It's when the emperor begins electrocuting his son he realizes A) that the ends don't justify the means, and B) the emperor is being unnecessarily sadistic, so peace is probably not going to come from this method, period. His reasons for using the dark side are thus converted into revulsion, and he has a change of heart.
And all of that is just based on the original trilogy. Episodes 1-3 just back that interpretation up.
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Deus Siddis
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"He thinks he's doing the right thing most of the time, but gets a little carried away. He's in denial. It's when the emperor begins electrocuting his son he realizes A) that the ends don't justify the means, and B) the emperor is being unnecessarily sadistic, so peace is probably not going to come from this method, period. His reasons for using the dark side are thus converted into revulsion, and he has a change of heart."
This is what you get when you have a kohr-ah answer questions about human emotion. Let us put away our cold, textbook approach to psychology.
Yes, by the end of the episodes 1-3, anakin is crushed. Everyone he cared about has been lost to chaos and so the only things he has left are his anger, which keeps the pain at bay, and his crusade against chaos. He's become very good at all this by E4, as he's been doing it for at least 15 years. But then he realizes that luke is his son and some of his old emotions resurface. After all, in the beginning everything he did was to protect the people he cared about. But he's still absorbed in the darkside, so he tries a middle route (without being complete aware of it) by suggesting to the emporer that luke be converted to the darkside, not killed. In the end however, luke refuses to turn and anakin must watch his son die at the hands of his master. In this moment, all the pain of his failures to protect his mother and wife boil up to the surface, and far overpowers his anger and dedication to the emperor that now promises to destroy what he loves.
Anakin does not do much out of logical reasoning, he does what he does because of his feelings. This is especially true in the end.
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Fine, whatever. But I note that you agree he's not doing evil for the sake of evil.
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Deus Siddis
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Don't feel bad, I have a degree in Vaderology.
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And I thought it would be hard to get a job with a philosophy degree. 
Hmm, Sci-Fi Villain; The Enemy from the Riftwar Saga books, or for a more traditionally sci-fi version: The Martians from War of the Worlds (an alien whose motives are alien, and is considered evil only because its motives involve human death, dismemberment, or discomfort).
For a more humanlike villain, the Tripods from the White Mountain series of books.
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I just thought of two more, albeit less substantial than Vader:
The Triffids from... well, I think they speak for themselves.
and...
well...
KERRIGAN >=D
EDIT: Awesome. Fifth post and I've stirred discussion!
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I can't really get into Kerrigan, since she's just so... immature and stupid. She could do a lot better, and I can't see how she really got that way. Maybe a prequel showing how Mengsk manipulated her would help.
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Starcraft Ghost, perhaps?
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"I can't really get into Kerrigan, since she's just so... immature and stupid. She could do a lot better, and I can't see how she really got that way."
(Dong) Round 2. You know, I minored in Kerriganology.
Ok, Kerrigan does not have a severe emotional/psychological reason for going bat shit. She was betrayed, but only by her commanding officer. What sent her off the cliff was the evolutionary retro virus. It makes you more simple minded and dampens your morality and judgement, like alchohol. And once you're infested, you will have no intention of losing "the power, the clarity."
"Starcraft Ghost, perhaps?"
I think that's supposed to overlap with the original starcraft and broodwar. I wished they hadn't made it so you could only play a ghost. It would have been better if they made a Starcraft version of a Battlefield 1942 type game. You pick your type of soldier zergling, hydralisk, mutalisk or marine, firebat, ghost or zealot, high templar, dark templar. Then you have evolutions, vehicles, possessables in the form of the heavier starcraft units lurker, ultralisk, guardian, devourer or vulture, goliath, siege tank, wraith or dragoon, archon, scout, corsair. It would be great.
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I think that's supposed to overlap with the original starcraft and broodwar. I wished they hadn't made it so you could only play a ghost. It would have been better if they made a Starcraft version of a Battlefield 1942 type game. You pick your type of soldier zergling, hydralisk, mutalisk or marine, firebat, ghost or zealot, high templar, dark templar. Then you have evolutions, vehicles, possessables in the form of the heavier starcraft units lurker, ultralisk, guardian, devourer or vulture, goliath, siege tank, wraith or dragoon, archon, scout, corsair. It would be great.
The single player you can only play as a ghost, but in multiplayer mode, you have a choice of a ghost, marine, firebat, and light infantry. And only ghosts and infantry can use vehicles. No Zerg or Protoss though...
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Yes, but that is still missing control points, bot armies, and zerg/protoss in multiplayer. And no warthog ripoff pick-ups, I want Wraiths!
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Deus_Siddis: To beat the dead horse, I have majored in Starcraftology. Some of the things you have stated regarding this topic seem grossly inaccurate.
Just what exactly is this "evolutionary retro virus" thing you keep babbling about? You say that both Samir Duran and Kerrigan have both gone through this. Are you referring to Zerg infestation?
SPOILERS BELOW
At the beginning of the Brood War Terran campaign, Duran introduced himself as an agent of the former Terran Confederacy. However, by the end of the same campaign, he reveals that he is actually working for Kerrigan, and is thus an infested Terran.
There is a secret level (between the last two BW Zerg missions) in which Zeratul happens upon a strange outpost where various "Hybrid" creatures are being held in stasis. Samir Duran reveals that he came here as an agent of some greater unnamed force to unleash these Hybrids. While he in the guise of an Infested Terran, he is in fact completely alien as far as the known Starcraft universe is concerned.
The level is called Dark Origins. Look it up.
SPOILERS ABOVE
So, can you explain yourself?
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"Just what exactly is this "evolutionary retro virus" thing you keep babbling about?"
Ok, ok, "Evolutionary Virus". There, now are you happy? It's pretty damn obvious that it's a retro virus, methinks.
"There is a secret level (between the last two BW Zerg missions) in which Zeratul happens upon a strange outpost where various "Hybrid" creatures are being held in stasis. Samir Duran reveals that he came here as an agent of some greater unnamed force to unleash these Hybrids. While he in the guise of an Infested Terran, he is in fact completely alien as far as the known Starcraft universe is concerned."
Cool, it sounds like the rumors of the Xel'Naga's demise have been greatly exagerated. Unless that stupid old Overmind made it back from the void (perhaps with infested Tassadar).
"So, can you explain yourself?"
 Yes. . . I can. Back in the days of Starcraft, I had not a computer with enough ram or a fast enough processor to run this sacred game. So. . .I. . .bought the N64 version. The secret level of which you speak was not a part of its torchered campaign. Now you know the truth. Ridicule me if you think it best, but I have already suffered so much. En Taro Starcraft.
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