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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2005, 08:31:36 pm »

You know, a virus which rewrites its target's DNA does not need to be a retrovirus.

Retroviruses carry RNA which they reverse-transcribe into DNA in the host cell.

Other viruses just carry DNA around.

I suppose it is possible that some viruses carry only RNA, which they use for production directly in the cell, possibly with direct copying to speed up the process.

Also, given the gross morphological changes to Kerrigan, I suspect that the cocoon's actions were a heck of a lot more drastic than simply a viral infection.

Nonetheless, after the death of the Overmind and Kerrigan's freedom, she was basically an independent agent. Why did she take such glee in pointless betrayal?
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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2005, 09:22:29 pm »

"You know, a virus which rewrites its target's DNA does not need to be a retrovirus.
Retroviruses carry RNA which they reverse-transcribe into DNA in the host cell.
Other viruses just carry DNA around.
I suppose it is possible that some viruses carry only RNA, which they use for production directly in the cell, possibly with direct copying to speed up the process."

I think the difference is a retro virus alters a cell's core DNA, while your everyday cold and friends like to use their DNA to directly order the host's mechanisms to build more of them. So if you want to alter your DNA because you want to stop worrying and just be a happy little murderous insect, go with a retro virus (assuming you don't have any good nanites around).


"Also, given the gross morphological changes to Kerrigan, I suspect that the cocoon's actions were a heck of a lot more drastic than simply a viral infection."

Agreed, Humans have a linear growth cycle. Once we're mature, there's no large scale changes to be made (growing claws, bat wings, scaly hair, etc.) It would take more than just a code switch, so that chrysalis was probably more than just a cell.


"Nonetheless, after the death of the Overmind and Kerrigan's freedom, she was basically an independent agent. Why did she take such glee in pointless betrayal?"

As mentioned before, the alterations affect your judgement. Remember, the Overmind never planned on being sucked into another dimension or whatever. Kerrigan has no programming for an Overmindless scenario. She's just going nut's until Duran can take control of the Koprulu sector.
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« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2005, 01:39:54 am »

Hmm... well, it appears that only retroviruses bother to integrate their resulting DNA into the host genome. The Wikipedia vaguely suggests that DNA viruses just dump it into the cytoplasm and hope for the best.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrovirus


As for judgement... basically the only conclusion is that she is a severely broken person who hurts others. She is only slightly more a villain than Oasis or Dr. Crabtree (both from Sluggy Freelance, in case you were wondering), and probably less than the Ur-Quan, let alone Kohr-Ah.
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« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2005, 03:23:13 am »

"Hmm... well, it appears that only retroviruses bother to integrate their resulting DNA into the host genome."

I probably should have mentioned this before, but I have a degree in virusology.


"She is only slightly more a villain than Oasis or Dr. Crabtree (both from Sluggy Freelance, in case you were wondering), and probably less than the Ur-Quan, let alone Kohr-Ah."

She was betrayed by her own kin, ripped apart at the cellular level over months, rebuilt into a form so hideous that light bends around her, and telepathically enslaved so that she could be used as a weapon against her own people. The Kohr-ah had to build things and then acupunctured their way to freedom. Why are they so much more justified in their actions? Kerrigan isn't even trying to cleanse the galaxy, she is just playing games.
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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2005, 09:17:16 pm »

Because the Kohr-Ah are the DESCENDANTS of those who were so enslaved.
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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2005, 11:38:35 pm »

Are you agreeing with me, then? Being the descendant of someone who was tortured does not hurt you. If the UQ in SC2 are just horrible liars and were never actually alive during the reign of the Dynarri, why are they so tortured. Why have they had it so much harder than Kerrigan?
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« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2005, 04:49:07 am »

I think the Ur-Quan (Kzer-Za) are the nicest villains.
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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2005, 06:33:48 am »

Yea, they like to hold fuzzy little animals and give them huggie-wuggies.
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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2005, 02:29:27 am »

And fondle their bones. How cute.
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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2005, 04:42:37 am »

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Are you agreeing with me, then? Being the descendant of someone who was tortured does not hurt you. If the UQ in SC2 are just horrible liars and were never actually alive during the reign of the Dynarri, why are they so tortured. Why have they had it so much harder than Kerrigan?


You have it backward. Kerrigan was knocked out of the running because she was too broken. The Kohr-Ah are sufficiently functional for it really to be their fault. They really are villainous.

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That would be the Kohr-Ah.
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« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2005, 05:00:05 am »

I like the Kohr-Ah too.
They're second best  Grin
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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2005, 08:39:40 am »

"You have it backward. Kerrigan was knocked out of the running because she was too broken. The Kohr-Ah are sufficiently functional for it really to be their fault. They really are villainous."

Yes, but before you said about Kerrigan: "I can't see how she really got that way." So was she broken, then, or not? If she was less beat up than the kohr-ah and is of a sounder mind, would she not be the most villainous of the two, by you logic?
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« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2005, 08:28:57 pm »

By saying that I did not in any way mean that she had not been beaten up! Look at her!

The cause of my not knowing is not that I could not find a cause, but rather that I could find too many causes.

It could have been the cocoon's modifications. It could have been ghost training. It could have been the nightmare in the cocoon before the Overmind came. It could be an accident. It could have been a psychic seep from the Overmind itself.
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« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2005, 05:25:17 am »

But the kohr-ah do not have many reasons, either. They were enslaved, GMOed and tortured just as Kerrigan was. How is it that you have come to understand these caterpillars of oblivion but not the queen of blades?
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Re: Favorite SciFi *VILLAN!*
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2005, 08:07:34 am »

kohr-ah hands down. but come to think of it i like any villain.
i hate "heroes".
i guess thats why i love the movie "secret window" because technically the villain wins, that movie makes me happy.
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