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Kaiser II
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Oh, I see now. So our dimension never "smelled" good to the orz, because the Dynarri had already taken over the good hosts. Now that they are disabled, "heavy" space is there for the infesting. An interesting thing to note is that the orz know the arilou and dynarri, but the arilou do not know about the dynarri (though they know about the orz) and the dynarri might not have known about either. Also, the Taalo cannot be controlled by the Dynarri, but they can easily be taken over by the Orz (almost as if the Dynarri and Orz are opposites in their telemanipulative abilities.)
Camper could possibly translate into fighter or opponent. Hence they really could want to wipe out the Dynarri (and why they so eagerly join the New Alliance). Get them while they're ineffective against their slowly incomming invasion.
And then when the New Alliance becomes signifigant *campers*... Orz-NA war.
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Elerium
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Oh, I see now. So our dimension never "smelled" good to the orz, because the Dynarri had already taken over the good hosts. Now that they are disabled, "heavy" space is there for the infesting. An interesting thing to note is that the orz know the arilou and dynarri, but the arilou do not know about the dynarri (though they know about the orz) and the dynarri might not have known about either. Also, the Taalo cannot be controlled by the Dynarri, but they can easily be taken over by the Orz (almost as if the Dynarri and Orz are opposites in their telemanipulative abilities.)
Me thinks it's like this:
The Androsynth are all clones, and thus all have the same *smell*, and the Arilou (Becuase of the second war) couldn't help them change their *smell* becuase of the Hierarchy-Alliance war. Maybe the Arilou didn't care? Maybe they only cared for Earthers, but anyway, my theory is that becuase they all had the same smell, and opened them to the Orz, the Orz adapted to every single one of the Androsynth, using them as host bodies. If you know about Orz too you go mad (such Arilou said "Ignorance is your greatest protection, that is why the Androsynth opened themselves and there are no more Androsynth, only Orz (which implies they could be taken as hosts)"
The Dynarri are rendered useless by the Ur-Quan, and so are inactive meaning that the Orz can take over new bodies to infest our dimention (as seen by the chasing in previous threads).
Don't know about the Taalo though, if the Orz are freinds with them or not..
Just my 2 cents  well at least what I think 
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Oh, I see now. So our dimension never "smelled" good to the orz, because the Dynarri had already taken over the good hosts. Now that they are disabled, "heavy" space is there for the infesting. An interesting thing to note is that the orz know the arilou and dynarri, but the arilou do not know about the dynarri (though they know about the orz) and the dynarri might not have known about either. Also, the Taalo cannot be controlled by the Dynarri, but they can easily be taken over by the Orz (almost as if the Dynarri and Orz are opposites in their telemanipulative abilities.)
No, if the Dnyarri were the factor blocking the Orz from TrueSpace, it seems odd that it took them hundreds of thousands of years after the Dnyarri's fall to finally invade our space. (Remember that that whole story took place so long ago that, since then, the Ur-Quan have traveled 180 degrees around the galaxy.) It's made pretty clear that whatever the operative factor was in letting the Orz through to our space it had to do with the Androsynth's Dimensional Fatigue experiments.
Also, no matter which way you interpret the Orz dialogue, it's either that the Orz are *chasing* the Taalo because the Dnyarri aren't, or that the Orz are *chasing* the Dnyarri because the Dnyarri stopped *chasing* the Taalo. You can't read it to mean that the Orz are now *chasing* any other members of our dimension, like Humans or Androsynth -- as meep-eep says, either it's the Talking Pets (the *sleeping* Dnyarri) they really want, or else they're doing something to the Taalo who are now in *PrettySpace* and not here. The Androsynth takeover is entirely separate.
And we don't have any evidence that the Taalo can be easily taken over by the Orz. In fact if the Orz *chasing* means anything like what "chasing" means to us, it means they're trying to do something to the Taalo but haven't done it yet. (Since if you interpret it that way, the Dnyarri *chasing* the Taalo means the Dnyarri ordering the Ur-Quan to genocide them, but -- importantly -- failing.)
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Me thinks it's like this: The Androsynth are all clones, and thus all have the same *smell*, and the Arilou (Becuase of the second war) couldn't help them change their *smell* becuase of the Hierarchy-Alliance war. Maybe the Arilou didn't care? Maybe they only cared for Earthers, but anyway, my theory is that becuase they all had the same smell, and opened them to the Orz, the Orz adapted to every single one of the Androsynth, using them as host bodies. If you know about Orz too you go mad (such Arilou said "Ignorance is your greatest protection, that is why the Androsynth opened themselves and there are no more Androsynth, only Orz (which implies they could be taken as hosts)" The Dynarri are rendered useless by the Ur-Quan, and so are inactive meaning that the Orz can take over new bodies to infest our dimention (as seen by the chasing in previous threads). Don't know about the Taalo though, if the Orz are freinds with them or not.. Just my 2 cents well at least what I think
Are Androsynth all clones of each other, without genetic alteration? There was originally a *group* of Androsynth, not just one, and it said they were heavily genetically modified. I would imagine they'd still be tweaking their genes after the Exodus, given that they're superior to ordinary Humans and whatnot.
Even so I'm not sure I like saying "smell" is intrinsically linked to DNA. The Arilou said being "smelled" was entirely dependent on *knowledge*, on what our minds know about "Them" (the Orz, or whatever's behind the Orz), and that ignorance was our best protection, and that *if* we began to become curious and intellectually investigate the idea of "Them" we *would* inevitably be drawn into their web, even though we're mostly genetically unique compared to the 'Synth. I don't think it was simply madness the Arilou were warning about -- I think that whatever happened to Bukowski really was the prelude to the full-on "snagging" that happened to the Androsynth.
As far as friendship... *chasing* doesn't sound friendly to me, especially from a species that also calls ship-to-ship combat *dancing*.
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Deus Siddis
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"No, if the Dnyarri were the factor blocking the Orz from TrueSpace, it seems odd that it took them hundreds of thousands of years after the Dnyarri's fall to finally invade our space."
The Orz do not perceive time in such a linear manner. Plus there are quite a few things that were not good about *heavy* space for Orz. First their were Taalo with their mental shields. Then there were Dynarri taking the best slots. Then many of the sentients were killed or driven away during the UQ war. But when the andro-disruptions let some of the *heavy* space *smell* into their home level, the Orz saw that ours was a dimension of great opportunity. Few threats, *happy campers*, entire *playgrounds* of potential *bubbles* instead of small crews in passing ships in the emptier dimensions, and somekind of environmental conditions that the orz like (besides the plethora of hosts).
"And we don't have any evidence that the Taalo can be easily taken over by the Orz."
There is this quote:
"Taalo are in *heavy space* and next what?
They spread to *Pretty Space* because Dnyarri are chasing them.
Now Dnyarri are sleeping, so Orz can *chase* them.
Then we can have a *party*. They are even better *campers* than you.
Do not feeling bad. You are good enough *campers*, but not yet."
*Campers* are suitable hosts. So either the Dynarri or the Taalo are easier to take over than humans. This is odd, because the Dynarri are telemanipulative and the Taalo are invulnerable to that telemanipulation.
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But we're *campers* and the Orz haven't taken us over; by that logic the only *campers* we know of are the Androsynth.
It could just as easily mean that the Taalo were willing to make an alliance with the Orz.
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Deus Siddis
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*Campers* are potential hosts. *Bubbles* are hosts that are occupied by orz.
I don't think the Orz would have turned down a standard alliance with the Taalo, unless they wanted to infest them and the Taalo resisted.
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Strange_Will_LAZY
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"No, if the Dnyarri were the factor blocking the Orz from TrueSpace, it seems odd that it took them hundreds of thousands of years after the Dnyarri's fall to finally invade our space."
The Orz do not perceive time in such a linear manner. Plus there are quite a few things that were not good about *heavy* space for Orz. First their were Taalo with their mental shields. Then there were Dynarri taking the best slots. Then many of the sentients were killed or driven away during the UQ war. But when the andro-disruptions let some of the *heavy* space *smell* into their home level, the Orz saw that ours was a dimension of great opportunity. Few threats, *happy campers*, entire *playgrounds* of potential *bubbles* instead of small crews in passing ships in the emptier dimensions, and somekind of environmental conditions that the orz like (besides the plethora of hosts).
"And we don't have any evidence that the Taalo can be easily taken over by the Orz."
There is this quote:
"Taalo are in *heavy space* and next what?
They spread to *Pretty Space* because Dnyarri are chasing them.
Now Dnyarri are sleeping, so Orz can *chase* them.
Then we can have a *party*. They are even better *campers* than you.
Do not feeling bad. You are good enough *campers*, but not yet."
*Campers* are suitable hosts. So either the Dynarri or the Taalo are easier to take over than humans. This is odd, because the Dynarri are telemanipulative and the Taalo are invulnerable to that telemanipulation.
Well you forget, the Orz took over the Androsynth because they knew too much... maybe knowledge makes you easier to host... adn the Dynarri and Taalo would be extremely intelligent species I'd think 
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Deus Siddis
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But the Taalo are silicon based, and so they wouldn't have DNA. How could they be easy pickins for the Orz?
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Elerium
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I think I finally know what happened to the 'Synth.
Orz is a dimentional being from "heavy" space, the space where the Taalo are in, and was "below" when Arilou were "above".
When the Androsynth showed themselves to Orz, it smelled probably one Androsynth and found out they all smelled the same. When this happened it took control of the entire Androsynth race overnight.
(I'm going to have a go at translating the Orz, read it in another post )
Look:
Orz are happy *people energy* from the outside.
Inside is good. So much good that Orz will always *germinate*.
People energy may refer to the Orz taking host *energy*.
And here:
If you are *campers* you will enjoy *the change*, but maybe not yet.
It is best if many happy Orz are coming to your *house*.
Let's *spitting* the fun words for several *pieces* and then surprising things!!!
Thats creepy.
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