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Which alien do you think just stands above all the rest?
| Arilou |
| Chmmr |
| Druuge |
| Earthling (hunam) |
| Ilwrath |
| Melnorme |
| Mycon |
| Orz |
| Pkunk |
| Shofixti |
| Slylandro |
| Slylandro (probe) |
| Spathi |
| Supox |
| Syreen |
| (Talking Pet) |
| Thraddash |
| Umgah |
| Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah |
| Ur-Quan Kzer-Za |
| Utwig |
| Vux |
| Yehat |
| Zoq Fot Pik |
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Topic: Which alien stands above all the rest? (Read 38297 times)
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EnjoyTheSauce
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Orz. Isn't it obvious to everybody?
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Krulle
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What? Androsynth isn't listed. I think any species that used a bubble maker for their main weapon deserves first place.
True. But...
I think Megagun considers the Androsynth to be Human. That is quite a political statement. 
[The Doctrinal Conflict wasn't like a regular war; it was more like a sacred duel.
I agree that it would have been perfectly internally consistent to demonstrate the Path of Now and Forever's superiority by using its big ace in the hole, Battle Thralls, but if there's one thing both subspecies have that supersedes their respective philosophies it's their innate, all-encompassing superiority complex.
One thing though:
No Kzer-Za would ever allow anyone helping him in fighting a Kohr-Ah?
Why?
Because NO SENTIENT BEING IS ALLOWED TO KILL AN UR-QUAN!!! Not even allowed to attack a Kohr-Ah.
That's why the Kzer-Za attack the Supox, Utwig and Thraddash when they wanted to help the Kzer-Za!
That's why the Kzer-Za will loose! Their advantage are more refuel and repair stations, nothing else.
And seeing that the Shofixti killed 30% of their fleet in the Blaze of Glory, the Kzer-Za could have won without help.
Anyway, great Poll, Megagun!
Enjoy,
Martin
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« Last Edit: October 09, 2005, 08:36:31 pm by Krulle »
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nathanael
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K first of all, both doctrines are flawed.
for one thing both doctrines use war to protect,
and what happened when they met the Dnarri (hope thats how it spelled),the Dnarri didnt need to fight they just controlled.
once the Kohr-ah come in contact with a similar species
and start there doctrine the species will just control them.
And the Kzer-ah just sent away the Kohr-ah and had them come back,
some set number of years later. so they can fight to find out which doctrine is better. now the Ur-quan's doctrine includes having battle thralls. now look at what the Kzer-ah do to their thralls that try to help fight the Kohr-ah. So the Kzer-ah dont use one of there strong points of the doctrine.
Another idiocy of the Kzer-ah is that they claim that they slave shield so we can be safe. But we cant freaken be allowed to help the Kzer-ah defend ourselves. and look what happens to all the species that are slave shielded, when the Kohr-ah win the second Doctrinal war, man it must of felt good to be safe under that slave shield, when the Kohr-ah blasted it then killed everyone on the planet  .
p.s. Please forgive my grammer 
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nathanael
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Oh and i foregot.
I vote for the Spathi. see i have a thing for honor and intelligince.
I know I know that might not seem like a Spathi . but for intelligince look what they did when the evil ones came, they went from stone age to the atomic in like what? somewhere like 3 centuries?
Now has anyone ever heard of the Black Spathi Sqaudron? these guys saw the need to fight against the Ur-qaun, and with thier great fear they still faught hard. While still coming out with greater and greater weapons to fight the Ur-qaun, that unfortunately never were put in the Eluder. See the BSQ werent part of the regular Spathi anymore, many Spathi hated them cause of the fear, that the Ur-qaun would punish the Spathi. Although they were heroes among the youth, they were even put in comic books. And sometimes a Spathi captain would paint his ship black and join the BSQ.
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Krulle
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K first of all, both doctrines are flawed.
I never denied that.[for one thing both doctrines use war to protect, and what happened when they met the Dnarri (hope thats how it spelled),the Dnarri didnt need to fight they just controlled. [...] Another idiocy of the Kzer-ah is that they claim that they slave shield so we can be safe. But we cant freaken be allowed to help the Kzer-ah defend ourselves. and look what happens to all the species that are slave shielded, when the Kohr-ah win the second Doctrinal war, man it must of felt good to be safe under that slave shield, when the Kohr-ah blasted it then killed everyone on the planet . p.s. Please forgive my grammer
And the Kzer-Za cannot allow any battler-thrall to take side in this doctrinal war. Because nobody is allowed to kill an Ur-Quan. NOBODY. Their war is ritual. Therefor they avoid killing as much as possible.
Plus, the Kzer-Za see killing as a last option, as a sign of weakness and unability of finding other solutions.
And according to their own religion, a soul does not die.
You can be reborn as an Ur-Quan.
Unluckily you will not remember your life before.
But don´t kill an Ur-Quan, or both sides will be angry with you.
This war is about how to protect all Ur-Quan, how to avoid that any Ur-Quan ever gets dominated by a sentient Non-Ur-Quan being.
And the surpluss of infrastructure is quite a big advantage, all these slave-manned stations for refueling and repairs.
And we do not know if the Ur-Quan would have made us rebuild their fleet if the Kohr-Ah wouldn't have arrived that soon after the Alliance-Hierarchy war. Maybe that's what the battle-thralls would have to do.
Well, now we never know, since some smart-ass captain destroyed the Ur-Quan domination.
Enjoy,
Krulle
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nathanael
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Ok then that comes in the phrase (the needs of the many surpass the needs of the few),cause if they lost the war then we all die and thats much greater loss of life.Yes i know they might think of us as lesser beings,but then why they say they do it to protect us?Meaning they do care for our lives,probably much less then thier own.But even if one of us was worth 0.01 of thier lives our lives outnumber thiers.
Oh and sorry for spelling it wrong  .
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Novus
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A race hidden under a slave shield is much more likely to escape Kohr-Ah genocide than one flying about all over Hyperspace. The Kohr-Ah (and the Kzer-Za, too, for that matter) seem to primarily detect species by monitoring for broadcasts such as radio and Hyperwave transmissions. The Kzer-Za detected Earth based on radio and TV; the Kohr-Ah found the Burvixese by following the Druuge advertising transmissions. A slave shield pretty much eliminates detectable emissions from a planet; you need a massive transmitter to punch through the Chenjesu/Mmrnmhrm slave shield at close range. Also, ships can be detected; a slave-shielded species doesn't have these either.
Furthermore, the slave shield should provide at least some protection against Kohr-Ah attack, although it is likely that the Kohr-Ah will eventually be able to break through slave shields based on Chmmr success in breaking them (although they may have needed help on the inside).
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Art
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K first of all, both doctrines are flawed.
for one thing both doctrines use war to protect,
and what happened when they met the Dnarri (hope thats how it spelled),the Dnarri didnt need to fight they just controlled.
once the Kohr-ah come in contact with a similar species
and start there doctrine the species will just control them.
They probably still have the Excruciators, you know.
Why do you assume that they *haven't* come into contact with other telepathic species -- even if none were as powerful as the Dnyarri -- and overcome them? Remember that they *did* originally defeat the Dnyarri in war during the Slave Revolt, under extremely unlikely odds. In their full strength, against telepathic species much younger and weaker and less malign than the Dnyarri (who really seem to be a very unlikely extreme case), with techniques like the Excruciator under their belt, they'd likely stand a very good chance of winning.
I mean, the brute fact is that the Doctrines have worked for *twenty thousand years* so far, and have allowed the Ur-Quan to dominate *every other race in the galaxy*. At that point it's hard to argue with success.
And the Kzer-ah just sent away the Kohr-ah and had them come back,
some set number of years later. so they can fight to find out which doctrine is better. now the Ur-quan's doctrine includes having battle thralls. now look at what the Kzer-ah do to their thralls that try to help fight the Kohr-ah. So the Kzer-ah dont use one of there strong points of the doctrine.
They don't see it as a strong point, really. It seems to be that keeping Battle Thralls is a matter of a philosophical kind of mercy, and a way to make their economy more efficient. At root it's just as much about the Ur-Quan being a unique and completely dominant species as the Kohr-Ah's doctrine -- the Kzer-Za just can't, philosophically, bring themselves to kill wholesale. They can't believe, unlike the Kohr-Ah, that lesser forms of life exist *only* to be destroyed. They still, however, believe that lesser forms of life are firmly lesser, and that *no lesser life form may kill an Ur-Quan*. This is of deep, paramount importance, akin to some cultures' insistence that no commoner may harm a noble. The Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah may compete with each other, but if a lesser race were ever allowed to harm an Ur-Quan that would turn their whole value system upside-down.
Another idiocy of the Kzer-ah is that they claim that they slave shield so we can be safe. But we cant freaken be allowed to help the Kzer-ah defend ourselves. and look what happens to all the species that are slave shielded, when the Kohr-ah win the second Doctrinal war, man it must of felt good to be safe under that slave shield, when the Kohr-ah blasted it then killed everyone on the planet . p.s. Please forgive my grammer
"Safe" from everyone but the Ur-Quan. Our safety is secondary to the Ur-Quan's safety -- in Ur-Quan eyes, Ur-Quan survival is paramount, and everything else -- either a united, orderly and "safe" galaxy or a galaxy that's been simply "cleansed" -- is secondary to that goal.
It makes perfect sense, if you stop thinking from a Thrall-centered point of view. From an Ur-Quan centered point of view, we're like pets, or livestock -- they'll fight other people for the right of people to keep livestock, but they *will not* allow the livestock to harm people. They'll protect the livestock from all manner of natural disasters, but if the livestock should pass into the possession of people who aim to destroy them (as happens if they lose the Doctrinal War) then they will not lift one finger to stop them, because destroying an animal that *belongs to you* is the right of a person.
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Ok then that comes in the phrase (the needs of the many surpass the needs of the few),cause if they lost the war then we all die and thats much greater loss of life.Yes i know they might think of us as lesser beings,but then why they say they do it to protect us?Meaning they do care for our lives,probably much less then thier own.But even if one of us was worth 0.01 of thier lives our lives outnumber thiers. Oh and sorry for spelling it wrong .
They're so damn superior that living as their slaves is infinitely more likely to lead to our welfare than letting us roam free. Think of the logic humans use when they adopt animals from the wild to keep as pets. We "protect" our pets, even though making them into our pets gives us the right and the power to kill them if they ever threaten *us* -- we protect them not (usually) because we think of them as our equals, deserving of rights, or even as lesser citizens deserving of fewer rights, but because they are our *personal property* and *we* have the duty to protect our property. They have no rights at all.
Among the majority of non-animal-rights-activist humans, you might go to all sorts of great lengths to protect your little pet potbellied pig from the rain, from wild animals, from getting run over, etc. -- but if you were forced to sell your pig to the local meatpacking company, you might be heartbroken over what was going to happen to your pig -- but you would feel that you had *no legal right* to stop the *people* who now own your pig and want to slaughter it from doing so, and you probably wouldn't lift a finger to do so once it'd been sold.
Ur-Quan view us the way most people view animals. Plain and simple.
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Furthermore, the slave shield should provide at least some protection against Kohr-Ah attack, although it is likely that the Kohr-Ah will eventually be able to break through slave shields based on Chmmr success in breaking them (although they may have needed help on the inside).
Kohr-Ah *do* break through slave shields, very easily. The Kzer-Za out and out tell you that this is the fate of all slave-shielded worlds if they lose the War. And it's confirmed -- if you let the Kohr-Ah win, they will kill *all* other species on the map, including slave-shielded worlds like the Chmmr homeworld, Gaia, Spathiwa, and, eventually, Earth (and then you lose the game).
I don't think they even have to use Chmmr-like technology to "crack" the shield, although I think they're certainly capable of doing so. I feel like the Kzer-Za might actually feel obligated to give them the codes to turn off thei shields at will after losing the War. It is all about honor, after all, and whoever wins the War has *proven* that their Doctrine ought to apply to all planets.
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