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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2005, 06:30:35 am »

"They never had the dominion in TNG (I never watched DS9--no engines). Weren't the borg supposed to be on the other side of the galaxy? Is the dominion supposed to be powerful enough to fend off the borg?"

My understanding of the disjointed Star Trek world (any kind of consistency is ridiculous - Kirk supposedly got warped from the transporter accident to that space ribbon thing - that's how they bend the consistency, just change things to make it ridiculous), is that the Federation, Klingnons, Romulans, etc, are in the Alpha Quadrant.  The Gamma quadrant is where that DS9 wormhole goes, and the Delta Quadrant is where the Borg are (and Voyager - that was a large part of that show).

The thing about the Dominion was it was supposed to represent a freedomless expressionless thing - a lot of Star Trek in the post-Roddenberry age (TNG Season 2 or 3?  I can't remember exactly when in the show he died) was intended as a political statement.  Basically, you had the genetically engineered fighters controlled by drugs (Jem-Hadar I believe?), the genetic clones that led those (the Voorta) and all in control by xenophobic paranoid masters that want to control anything else not like them (the shape-shifters).  Basically how they got by was by technology that equaled the Federation, but much more ability to be sneakier and the cloning (who cares about losses of your troops when you can just grow more).  Basically the Borg were one political statement about technology and losing humanity, the Dominion was another about the individual losing rights over the powerful.

Personally I think DS9 had a deeper, more enjoyable story to it than TNG ever did.  A very worthy competitor to Babylon 5, and actually I find a shortage of people that would say that B5 was better than DS9, honestly.  The only thing it had against it was it bucked the Star Trek trend and tried to show stories that didn't involve starships and transporters all the time, and especially didn't show a paradise of good people who would never hurt a fly and would be totally honest and truthful all the time.  Unfortunately that turns people off of the show right away, but to me, DS9 just seemed a lot more real to me.

While we're asking questions and mentioning space battles, I would add the ones they did in Voyager with the Borg, Voyager itself, and Species 8472. (The Scorpion Part I, The Scorpion Part II)  While the show was very notable as the one that introduced 7 of 9 (Jeri Ryan) it also was awesome to see their picture of an alien race that could kick the Borg around like it was nothing (and making them have to crawl to Janeway for help).  Of course, there were a couple of others in that series I'd mention as worth seeing, this show set is probably the big jaw-dropper. 

(Part 1, starts: we see three borg cubes)
"We are the Borg, resistance is futile."
(Three rays come from camera prospective, blowing each up)

Only gets better from there. Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2005, 05:43:04 pm »

But, you see, that's what screwed up Voyager. It was unwise to nerf the Borg.
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2005, 07:11:42 pm »

While the conflict between Voyager, the Borg, and Species 8472 was great, I think they should have milked it for what it was worth.  Borg space was so vast, it would have taken them ten years to cross it.  Yet they only did two episodes crossing Borg space because one of the characters was able to bend space.  Hey, if she was able to do that, why not go the extra half galaxy?  I believe they should have made at least one complete season of voyager's journey through Borg space with a good solid story.  Learning how to avoid the Borg and 8472, making new technology to fight them, that sort of thing.  But no, they didn't.  And to add to the crap that was the Voyager, in a later episode they turned the all powerful 8472 into weaklings when they all tried acting like hunams.  I hate it when a show has something good and they turn it into crap.
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2005, 07:54:55 pm »

Yep, the Post-Roddenberry writers definitely took everything for all it was worth and ruined it.  They were floundering when Voyager hit and got even worse with Enterprise.
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2005, 03:53:57 am »

Battles on TV .. well, I liked the ones in the Star Wars movies. The start of  episode 3 was the best one that I have ever seen.

However, I think battles in games are far superior to what you can experience by just watching a movie.
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2005, 06:03:21 am »

"However, I think battles in games are far superior to what you can experience by just watching a movie."

Then name some. Games are entertainment too, they deserve your respect. Sad
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2005, 11:36:55 am »

I loved the huge battles between small robots, in Total Annihilation.
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2005, 04:20:11 pm »

Battles on TV .. well, I liked the ones in the Star Wars movies. The start of  episode 3 was the best one that I have ever seen.

Aside from the absurd concentration on the boring and idiotic buzz-droids, and the near-total lack of any exposition of their tactical situation?

These guys are jedi! Just TK the droids off your freaking wing, that's the end of the problem, go on to something else!
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2005, 04:42:11 pm »

Okay, let me put it in this way: I was rather impressed by alien fleets that were engaged in combat while in orbit around a densely populated world. I don't think any other movie has shown something that comes close to that.
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2005, 05:38:53 pm »

I agree, that whole scene was very well done and unique (and isn't that one of the main points of science fiction, to show you amazing things that you will probably not get to see in your lifetime?). Though I don't see the point of robots that drill holes when you have seismic charges.
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2005, 06:10:33 pm »

"Though I don't see the point of robots that drill holes when you have seismic charges."

Neither do I ... maybe it's because it has a higher replay value than a laser or an explosion. You can't have a jedy standing on his ship, waving with his light-saber and deflecting heavy lasers from battle ships. There's not much you can do against a bomb either (although Neo did very well in the Matrix 3). And for the rest it's probably exaggerated to make it funnier than necessary. But it's just a guess, I really don't see the point either Wink
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2005, 12:53:19 am »

"And for the rest it's probably exaggerated to make it funnier than necessary."

Then perhaps they should have been attacked by bio-mechanical pez dispensers, armed with electromagnetic staple accelerator guns.
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2005, 01:20:37 am »

Then perhaps they should have been attacked by bio-mechanical pez dispensers, armed with electromagnetic staple accelerator guns.

That would have been an improvement Grin  Having this goofy robot do MORTAL COMBAT!!!!! with R2D2 on the wing of the ship was just too damned much.  It just interrupted whatever pacing the battle otherwise had.

The battle over Coruscant looked great, to be sure, it just lacked any kind of form.  Just oodles of eye candy--too much so in my opinion.  It's one of the least dramatic space battles I can think of.  (and yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of other crumby ones too, but they didn't have the big bucks or SW label either).  It's a shame because the Venator Star Destroyers look freakin' fantastic.  I'd also liked to have seen some Victory SDs.  Oh well...maybe they are saving that one for the TV show or the Pre-prequel Tongue

Oh, and showing the 'greatest starfighter pilot in the galaxy' accidentally blowing his wingman's wing off was stupid and (yet another) slap in the face of the original films.
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2005, 06:17:35 am »

"Having this goofy robot do MORTAL COMBAT!!!!! with R2D2 on the wing of the ship was just too damned much.  It just interrupted whatever pacing the battle otherwise had."

And if dorky can opener droids can pass through them unhindered, why the hell do they even put "diflector shields" on their ships?


"The battle over Coruscant looked great, to be sure, it just lacked any kind of form.  Just oodles of eye candy--too much so in my opinion.  It's one of the least dramatic space battles I can think of."

I don't think it was meant to be too dramatic. Remember in E3, the droids armies were not the real enemy, they were just the vehicle the true threat used to hijack the loser old republic. At this point, the soon-to-be-vader's skills were not defeatable by lowly grunt-bots. Making the struggle against the trade federation too dramatic, would underscore the real story of this episode.


"Oh, and showing the 'greatest starfighter pilot in the galaxy' accidentally blowing his wingman's wing off was stupid and (yet another) slap in the face of the original films."

Hey shit happens, even to the best of us.
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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2005, 07:07:50 pm »

DS9 had some cool battles against the Dominion.
B5 Interludes and examinations, the battle where Vorlons engage Shdow ships in Brakiri space.
SW episode 3, the beginning battle. The first scene was about 1 continuous minute.

I can't remember one episode where the borg weren't  humiliated  when they encountered Voyager.
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