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Vela?
« on: December 13, 2002, 03:23:08 am »

Does anyone know if going to Vela does anything?  I've been there, but it's just surrounded in a slave shield and can't talk to anyone on the planet...  Does caster work?  If my memory serves (from playing the original SC2 which was a LONG time ago),  it didn't work then either...  Or is there a way to uplift their slave shield?
Just for my sake, please don't tell me what happens, just how to do it...  ;)
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2002, 05:08:33 am »

Nope...
                                                    ...not a thing.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2002, 12:34:35 pm »

I wouldn't think that using the 'caster would work -- the Ur-Quan (according to the storyt) destroy any/all advanced tech before putting races under the shield, and I'd think that would surely include hyperwave 'casters.

The only reason you're supposed to be able to talk to the Chenjesu through their slave shield is that they apparently can send/receive hyperwave transmissions naturally -- no tech, nothing for the Ur-Quan to blow up.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2002, 02:19:21 pm »

I recall something saying the Mnrnrema-whatever-the-hell-they're-called were basically an advance terraforming device......you could even say they might have built a 'caster.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2002, 04:31:40 pm »

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I recall something saying the Mnrnrema-whatever-the-hell-they're-called were basically an advance terraforming device......you could even say they might have built a 'caster.

I think your thinking of the Mycon.  And Nic. is right.  The Chenjesu are said to be natural Hyperwave casters, more powerful than anything the humans could build.  (no assembly required)

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2002, 04:02:53 pm »

But the Chenjesu preferred travelling for the bringing of messages. Hyperwave transmissions could always be intercepted.

But that brings me to another point. (See new thread about Chenjesu...)
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2003, 07:00:06 am »

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I recall something saying the Mnrnrema-whatever-the-hell-they're-called were basically an advance terraforming device......you could even say they might have built a 'caster.


Yes, Commander Hayes says:

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My personal guess as to why they were sent here is that they are the leading edge of a colonization project
and once the Mmrnmhrm have tamed enough new worlds, the genuine colonists -- whoever they are
will arrive to claim their due.


Which is a lot more reassuring than what the Mycons' masters had in mind. Taming new worlds versus destroying all the ideally inhabitable ones in existence, that is. Unless of course, the Mmrnmhrm's creators are the evil domineering sort after all...

I can even envision a giant chessboard from a group of superior alien races that are using the Mycon and Mmrnmhrm as tools in a 'contest' against each other to achieve supremacy over known space. I would even imagine that the Mmrnmhrm (and the Mycon) have 'remotely activated shut off/self-destruct commands' integrated into them.

I don't imagine that the Mmrnmhrm's owners will be too pleased with the prospect that their terraforming tools have abandoned their purpose and have gone and integrated themselves with another race instead.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2003, 07:03:02 am »

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Does anyone know if going to Vela does anything?  I've been there, but it's just surrounded in a slave shield and can't talk to anyone on the planet...

Well, you get to be yelled at by an Ur-Quan!
(not to mention, if you win, you get yourself a nice bundle of RU). Other than that though, I figure you'd want to go to Vela only because you're also harvesting a supergiant(yay!) white(double yay!) star. Given that minerals are superplentiful at white stars or at supergiants, Zeeman certainly fits those descriptions.

What I don't get is how the whole story works.
The Tobermoon arrives at Vela, with a crew compliment of 18, right? Then dumps off some crew, returns to Earth to carry scientists to Vela again. So you imagine that at most, you have 17 passengers traveling with Burton to Vela. That's 35 total on Vela, minus the dozen colonists that are stated to die over the years. Total: 23. Then the next twenty years are marked by the births of 40 colonists. Total: 63. Then they send up the Tobermoon to return to Earth. "All of the crewmembers are gone" comes the report, so you assume at minimum, they sent 1 additional member with the captain. Total on Vela: 61. Then Burton crews the Tobermoon and Zelnick fully crew the Precursor ship. Total on Vela: -7. Burton is killed, so I presume they picked up a new captain for the Tobermoon. Total on Vela: -8.

They also said in the intro, "When the vessel was completed, some of us could go home". So obviously some of the colonists had to stay on Vela. Even if none stayed despite what the intro says, I have no idea why in god's name the Kzer-Za elected to slave shield the planet. (maybe it was more economical than to waste time and resources to excavating the Precursor site in the midst of a Doctrinal War?)

I suppose you could argue, 'maybe the tobermoon made two return trips to Vela' or 'maybe the tobermoon had a mini crew boat full of scientists that they brought with them
on their return to Vela' which are both feasible. And probable. (I just like pointing out possible plot holes, I suppose.)

Or even: "The Earthling cruiser's efficiency in combat is horrifically impaired if extra crewmembers are housed within, but it is possible to house twice as many individuals within the vessel if absolutely no combat activity is to be undertaken."
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2003, 10:07:36 am »

Just because an Earthling cruiser holds 18 during melee and the full game doesn't mean it can't hold more than that.

For battle purposes maybe the cruiser only need 18 to run efficiently, any more would waste of personel. The starbase commander does state that the cruiser was meant as a research vessel, not as a pityless weapon of war.

For a research vessel to only crew 18 people would seem like a waste, it would take that many just to operate it. If it is meant for long-range missions and research it would need to have a much larger crew, so I could easily see it holding upwards of 100-200 personel.

Even if the cruiser could only house 18 people, don't you think they could of been escorting a transport which carried the science team.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2003, 03:43:11 pm »

I agree. Also, we don't know if there was only the Tobermoon transporting them. There might have been a couple of other ships helping out on the first trip to get eevryone there, and then going back to their battle stations until they were needed again. These ships were then destroyed by the Hierarchys sudden advance. There might even be some sort of Civilian transport ship that we've never seen in the fame, seeing as we've only been involved in military conflicts.

On the Slave Shield issue, I think the Quan we're simply just too pressed on time and resources to be able to forcibly evacuate and transport whatever population Vela had. After all, if they won the war, they could come back afterwards and finish it. If not, it didn't really matter.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2003, 11:47:24 pm »

20 bucks says that the Ur-Quan found and blew up the precursor factory, though.
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2003, 12:31:34 am »

I quote Talana:
So our first step HAS to be recovering our Space Patrol combat fleet. We know that the Ur-Quan didn't destroy them... they never waste anything.
If the Ur-Quan wouldn't blow up a whole bunch of useless (to them) Penetrator ships then I doubt they'd blow up an intact and functioning Precursor factory unless it was putting them in imminent danger. Vela's population can't be more than 200 people, it takes months to construct a single starship, and even so the factory doesn't have any more minerals to work with.

Of course it's possible that the Dreadnought's captain was an idiot. There's always that.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2003, 01:41:37 am »

Also, the factory would be under the slaveshield, thus not posing that much of a threat. However, the Quan may have taken out the most vital pieces they could find just in case. Also, even if they were in the middle of their conflict at this stage, they might have wanted to take some of it back for study, in hopes of finding something to give them an edge against their cousins.
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2003, 01:49:20 am »

but the factory was underground, do the ur-quan send in task forces or something? I just remember they would stay in orbit, then blast the crap out of anything they see. Do they have some kind of = ranging device that can see through rock? And I don't think anyone told the Ur-Quan of the factory.
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2003, 01:54:45 am »

As I recall, the colonists basically lived in and around the factory anyway, so that'd be the first giveaway. Also, when the Quan blasted parts of Earth, especially whatever was under the ice and in the Amazons, one would assume they scanned for it somehow. A race that has been enslaving people for an eternity isn't likely to commit the mistake of not checking for HUGE installations underground.

Aslo, the Quan have a lot of subservient races on their Dreadnoughts. And even if they had to go down themselves, the Quans are supposed to be huge fearsome predators, not to mention they probably have all sorts of high tech gear. So they could probably pretty much walk over whatever human resistance that greeted them
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