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Lukipela
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Re: Vela?
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2003, 02:07:21 am » |
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Ok, lets distinguish a little here. Hayes had barely heard about the mission to Vela, because that was Top Secret. The Ur-Quan didn't know there was any Precursor facility at all around there, as I recall, the Alliance found it through dumb luck. However, when you exited the Vela star system, a Quan ship detected you in hyperspace leaving the Vela. While they lost your trace in HP, they were still able to backtrack it to Vela, and searched the system for the origin of this mysterious ship they found. they then stumbled on an "illegal" human colony.
Now, if I had seen a weird ship signature leave a system, and then found a goup of humans on a clony in said system, without any visible means of transportation, I would make a prewtty thorough search of the Area.
While I doubt the Quan make a super search of every planet they come across, but a weird planet like that? Sure they would, just in case. And as the colonists where pretty much living in/around the factory, it'd show up quite quickly.
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Re: Vela?
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2003, 03:34:49 am » |
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Also, the Quan have a lot of subservient races on their Dreadnoughts. And even if they had to go down themselves, the Quans are supposed to be huge fearsome predators, not to mention they probably have all sorts of high tech gear. So they could probably pretty much walk over whatever human resistance that greeted them
Here's a question I have. It's been established that there is only one Ur-Quan per ship, because Ur-Quans have a tendency to try and slaughter each other in close proximity.
Yet the Kohr-Ah say:
The ignominy of slaving we leave to our Kzer-Za cousins.
We have no need for inferiors as servants.
So... how are Kohr-Ah ships crewed? Paid employees?
*takes a deep breath and intercepts the likely explanation*
I know, I know. They probably have a small pool of 'to-be-exterminated ship crew' that yes, are slated to die someday, but for the moment, would be used to wreak genocide on existing races.
Better than the alternative; splicing those individuals who have been conquered with Ur-Quan genes.
If you eliminate all non-Ur-Quan sentient races, including yourselves
then we will stop.
We have made this offer before. No one accepts.
So we cleanse.
I wouldn't be surprised if a threatened race or two have made the offer to genetically modify their own race so that they are (mostly?) Ur-Quan in geneaology..
Speaking of genetic modification, the Ur-Quan have that technology in spades, don't they? What with the Dnyarri using the Ur-Quan scientists to splice the race into two subraces, and the technology the Kzer-Za subsequently required to genetically alter the Talking Pets into sub-sentience.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a small group of Kzer-Za hidden away who would be working to revive the Brown Ur-Quan by splicing Kohr-Ah and Kzer-Za genes together. It might not even be a step backwards, so to speak, if they tinkered enough to eliminate the weaknesses of each and combined the strengths of both. (The Kzer-Za's creativity, analytical ability, and intelligence with the Kohr-Ah's strength, keen combat instincts, and battle prowess).
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We are the Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah.
Our nature, the fulfillment of our fate requires your destruction.
You are filth. It is now your time to be cleansed.
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Lukipela
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Re: Vela?
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2003, 03:51:08 am » |
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Hmm... I seem to recall that this came up for discussion earlier. And while I can't be bothered to search for the thread (it was a while back), I do seem to recall that we speculated on that Kohr-Ah don't have the same territorial instinct problems as the Kzer-Za. After all, the Kohr-Ah were designed to be soldiers and labourers. They wouldn't be very effective such if they went into blind ranges as soon as they encountered another memebr of their species. So presumably, a Marauder is stocked with 42 Kohr-Ah, all ready and eager for a fight.
The Kzer-Za on the other hand were suppose to be the intellectuals. The thinkers and scientists. What better way to ensure that the smart slaves don't get up to anything than enhancing their natural instincts a wee bit, into soemthing that can't stand the presence of another of it's kind excpet for during mating times...
I seriously doubt that the Kohr-Ah would let any other species aboard their ship though, they are insane, and only driven by the need to kill off every other sentient race in the cosmos. leaving even a few individuals would be too much.
Regarding the gene thing, we don't really know how much of that technology the Quan have. Some of their leading scinetists must have died in the slave revolt, and I imagine quite a lot of facilities were blown up in that bloody war. Also, we don't know if it was Quan scientists doiung the splicing, it could've been another race altogether, one that went extinct before the slave revolt. And even if the Quans did it, the ones who preformed the actual splicing may not have been left alive afterwards. they were after all, redundant. So the Quan don't neccessarily know what happened.
And on a final note, the Quan, both subspecies, seem to be mostly focused on making sure nothing like this ever happens again. They are using preventive doctrines, I'm not sure how much they'd look backwards at all.
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Re: Vela?
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2003, 04:45:38 am » |
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I want to know why the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za didn't use the Sa-Matra and their Battle Thralls against the Khor-Ah during the Second Indoctrinal War. Okay, they're not entirely certain that their Doctrine is the correct one and figure the only way to figure it out is another war. Whoever had the stronger Doctrine would succeed. Since this is (supposedly) a scientific test, they want to remove any unnessisary distractions from the experiment, so they don't use Precursor technology nor their Battle Thralls.
But the Kzer-Za's path is _based_ on utilizing those two things. Therefore, it seems like the Doctrinal War is not properly testing the thesis of which Doctrine is stronger; the whole point of the Kzer-Za's Path is to conquer other races and let them choose to aid them in their work. Precursor Artificats are an important part of this philosophy as well. Therefore, by refusing to utilizing them against the Khor-Ah, they just invalidated their own experiment! Surely they should have seen this?
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Re: Vela?
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2003, 07:09:50 am » |
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The only adequate answer we could take to that was that the Kzer-Za found any other race killing Ur-Quan to be illegal -- even killing Kohr-Ah. Why? From a pride standpoint, it's rock-bottom. From a social perspective, letting the slaves fight would be a serious problem, because it would be encouraging them to kill Ur-Quan, and that might give them ideas...
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Re: Vela?
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2003, 01:28:41 pm » |
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The Sa-Matra is an "emergencies-only" weapon. When the Ur-Quan had trouble with the Chenjesu, they used it, but otherwise they let it be.
The Sa-Matra is not a legal option in a Doctrinal Conflict. Note how there is a ring of both Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah ships protecting it. Also note that Sa-Matra means "Great Trophy." The Sa-Matra is the prize for the race whose Doctrine is proven superior in a Doctrinal Conflict. To use the Sa-Matra would void the conflict.
In short, using the Sa-Matra would be cheating, and the Ur-Quan both seem to be very keen on not cheating. Though the Kohr-Ah will gladly cleanse a race or two while the war is still raging if they get the chance...
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Re: Vela?
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2003, 08:15:10 am » |
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I believe using the Sa-Matra isn't cheating the Kzer-Za doctrine, as long as they don't use it against the Kohr-Ah. So why not use it all the time? Well for one thing, It would be a bad idea for the Ur-Quan to deploy their secret weapon against every hint of resistance they encountered because then every species in existance will try to sabotage their prize and possibly succeed. Also, the Kzer-Za need all the practice they can get with their conventional fleet if they plan on standing up to the Kohr-Ah. The one instance they deemed using the Sa-Matra necessary is when they knew that further engagements with the Alliance of Free Stars would cause an unacceptable number of loses for the Ur-Quan, a scenario they probably aren't too familiar with.
Interestingly, the Ur-Quan must have realized their battle thralls were inferior to the Alliance without direct support from the Ur-Quan themselves if they decided on this course of action.
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Re: Vela?
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2003, 05:24:43 pm » |
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I always figured they didn't use it against the alliance until they absolutely needed to because it was a big old risk. I imagine if they deployed the thing in every conflict, and someone managed to destroy it (say, with a suicidal supernova attack), there would be a lot to answer for when the kohr-ah came around to fight the doctrinal war for the great trophy. So they went out of their way to keep it out of battle and out of risk, because losing it wasn't an acceptable option.
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Re: Vela?
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2003, 07:11:47 pm » |
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The Ur-Quan's Path of Now and Forever doctrine is simply to enslave all races, not "enslave all races to use them against the Korh-Ah". In a way, the Ur-Quan's doctrine is not only meant to protect themselves, but also protect their slaves from the Kohr-Ah... after, the first Doctrinal War started because the Kzer-Za tried to protect the Mael-Num from the Kohr-Ah.
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Hehe, j/k.