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Re: Interesting Paul Reiche III revelation
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2006, 10:03:24 pm »

Interesting. Of all the contemporary specifically identified heads of state in the game, every single one is female.
Yeah, no women in SC2. None... at... all...
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2006, 10:17:11 pm »

Okay, okay, so I didn't exactly research that statement first...

I just meant that SC2 doesn't go out of the way to present to us, graphically, members of both sexes of any alien race.

Sheesh. ;p
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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2006, 07:45:33 am »

This may be because, except for the Spathi and the ZFP, it doesn't go out of its way to present to us, graphically, more than just one member of any given alien race at all.


Do the Umgah and the Mycon even have sexes?
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2006, 10:05:02 am »

The umgah probably have five or more.  Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2006, 11:09:08 am »

Thanks for posting that!

I hadn't picked up the sexual orientation commentary with regards to the Adrosynth... so that is interesting to look back on now. I think the fact the Paul and Fred created this game 15 years ago (or so, I don't know for sure) solidifes my respect for them as game designers, storytellers, and human beings.

I definitely recall the religious commentary of SC2. I especially remember some extended dialog with the Druddge (sp?) race where the Druddge go into the details of the "contract" that they had signed with their diety. It was a formalization of the motifs that exist in so many organized religions. Something like "we the undersigned agree to perform acts of fealty and devotion, in exchange God will act in arbitrary and unknowing ways". I can't remember the entire thing, but I remember it was funny and strikingly relevant. Of course I was 13 when I first played the game, and I think that part went right over my head. But when I replayed it, 5 years ago or so (just before UQM came out... had to rebuild a 486 with SB16 to do it) I remember being really taken back by the 2nd and 3rd levels of meaning going on through-out the game.

Anyway, thanks again Paul and Fred. A true work of art.

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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2006, 02:57:05 pm »

Interesting. Of all the contemporary specifically identified heads of state in the game, every single one is female.
Yeah, no women in SC2. None... at... all...

I assume you're not including Commander Hayes as a head
of state? Also, I believe Admerial Zex is refered to as male.
Aren't they both leaders/heads of their races?
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2006, 03:51:51 pm »

I'm happy to see that people enjoyed the article, or at least the SC2 section, and I'm especially happy that it's encouraged debate!

It's interesting to note that we're discussing a game more than a decade old, and the article touches upon even older games.

Somehow, to me, it feels as if the games industry has taken two steps back and one step forward with regards to narrative, gameplay, etc.

Maybe I'm just too old, but they just don't make games like they used to.
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2006, 04:30:54 pm »

"Somehow, to me, it feels as if the games industry has taken two steps back and one step forward with regards to narrative, gameplay, etc."

I'm not completely sure about that. There were hordes of dumb games before, and there are good games now, like Starcraft or Halo with good gameplay and plotlines.

But the grass seems greener back on the other side, because we tend to remember the good ones and forget those that we dropped after five minutes. When you look at the grass right beneath your feet, you can see the dirt showing between it, and all the weeds, where as a patch in the background just appears to be a green field. In ten or twenty years, few will remember all the dumb clone shooters we have now, just as we can't remember all the dumb RPG dungeon crawls that polluted olden times.
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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2006, 11:06:14 pm »

Interesting. Of all the contemporary specifically identified heads of state in the game, every single one is female.
Yeah, no women in SC2. None... at... all...

I assume you're not including Commander Hayes as a head
of state? Also, I believe Admerial Zex is refered to as male.
Aren't they both leaders/heads of their races?

ZEX was a general and is now an isolated pervert, NOT a head of state. Unless you consider his little domain a state. I wouldn't.
Hayes is the starbase commander. This makes him the most important human in space outside of Zelnick, but not a head of state.

But here's my list:

Kohr-Ah Primat
the Yehat queen
the Pkunk queen
Utwig Proctor (might not be head of state)

Can anyone think of any others?
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Re: Interesting Paul Reiche III revelation
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2006, 01:34:27 am »

Off the top of my head, I think the other species leaders you actually speak to or hear about (Ilwrath High Priest, The Safe Ones, etc.) are gender indeterminate. And of course, the Slylandro Speaker is male.
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2006, 02:19:56 am »

Trade Master Greenish always struck me as male, but I think it would be incorrect to assume that he's the head of the Melnorme state.
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Re: Interesting Paul Reiche III revelation
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2006, 07:05:29 am »

I suppose with the return of the Shofixi race, the
original male will probably be highly regarded.
Not a head of state, but apparently male.
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2006, 10:26:30 pm »

If you're trying to find female representatives in the game, you're probably contrasting that with the male ones.
I think it's only right to remember that some species don't have a gender.

Girl on top:
 Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah
 Yehat
 Pkunk
 Utwig
 Syreen

Male control:
 Earthlings (Wink)
 Shofixti
 Thraddash
 Druuge
 Spathi
 VUX
 Slylandro
 Ur-Quan Kzer-Za

Gender-less:
 Mycon
 Chmmr
 Orz (so I think)
 Supox (I'm quite sure most plants have both female and male organs)

Debateable:
 Melnorme
 Umgah
 Ilwrath (need to check the text, but the spider could be female)
 Arilou (seriously, are you sure that's a male alien?)
 Zoq-Fot-Pik - this is a special case because there're three races. Are they all male? female? maybe tri-gender?
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Re: Interesting Paul Reiche III revelation
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2006, 12:47:05 am »

Male control:
 Earthlings (Wink)

Someone has obviously never been married...  Tongue
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Re: Interesting Paul Reiche III revelation
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2006, 08:27:02 pm »

As far as the slylandro are concerned, yes, you talk with a male one; but I don't think they have much of a governmental apparatus or hierarchy.

Also, though Kzer-Za himself was male, we don't have any information on whether their current leader is male. Of course, the voice-actor for the Ur-Quan is male, but so is the voice-actor for the Kohr-Ah, and their leader is female.
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