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The upcoming energy crisis.
« on: March 08, 2006, 01:04:57 pm »

We all know that oil wont last us forever. Nuclear power wont either. We'll even run out of coal in a couple of hundred years unless something changes.

So , what alternative power source do you think will be oils replacement, and how do you see it affecting society at large? When should this transistion take place? Or should it? If not, why not?

Also, how can we save energy? Even if we find a new power source, it might not be suitable for the consumption lifestyle we have today. What energy draining equipment do you think we can live without? what is unnecessary? And of course, what can we not live without, what is absolutely vital to you?
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Re: The upcoming energy crisis.
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2006, 01:30:06 pm »

I'd say nuclear, but I see you don't see it as a solution.

I think our best bet is using solar/wind/hydro/geo-thermal energy where you can get it efficiently enough, but if we want to maintain our present energy consumption (which will probably double in years to come) we have to come up with something better.
Nuclear fusion sounds promising. If we can get it to work properly, that is give more energy then it drains, then we'll have enough fuel on earth itself to last for a couple thousand years.
This should be enough to find us a nice source of anti-matter Wink

As for what devices I can and cannot do without.
I'd say the most important things are transportation, heavy industrial equipment, computers, lights and refridgerators.

You explained the need for transportation in THE FUTURE thread.
Without Indistrial equipment we'll pretty much stagnate, it'll be hard to build anything without it.
Our society has become very dependant on computers, and we will be even more dependant around the time oil runs out.
Lights may be something many people think they would do without, but imagine how your life would look if any light-source you'd have after sunset was a candle or a torch. That would take us back a hundred years or so.
Refridgerators maybe aren't so important, but they help everone store food for a much longer time. May come in handy if there'll be supply shortages due to transportation problems.

It should be quite easy to save on transportation and lights. If you put everything on trains, instead of trucks, you can use any source of energy that can be turned to electricity.
The costs may rise, like time of transportation, but hey, it's better then nothing.

Energy that goes on lights can be saved by bulding more efficient light-bulbs and ordering a black-out at certain hours.

Computers may cause some problems. As they get more powerful they also eat more energy. Currently I'm observing how my home PC is slowly catching up my electric oven when it comes to power usage. Maybe changing thr processor technology will help a bit. Biological processors for instance shouldn't eat that much electricty, and might settle for a banana Wink.
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Re: The upcoming energy crisis.
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2006, 01:38:46 pm »

I think this is promising:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2006, 01:49:50 pm »

Here in Canada, wind power is becoming a big thing.

Also, there are ways to make oil. Since the late 80s or
early 90s scientists in the US have been producing
crude oil from the results of human waste + a special
kind of bacteria. Considering the amount of human
waste on the planet, I'd say oil is here to stay for
a very long time.

Also, diseal cars can run very well on vegetable oil. Lots
of plants around, right?

As for conserving. Well, there is a move toward smart cars,
electric cars and such. I would like to see the military/government
cut back on their oil purchases.

My point from all this is that between the move to conserve and
the many alternitives to drilling for oil, there will be
no energy crisis.
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Re: The upcoming energy crisis.
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2006, 02:42:24 pm »

You can't produce 4 billion (!) tonnes of oil annually through alternative sources. Take Brazil for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil#Effect_on_oil_consumption
Production in a year: ethanol: 14 million m³
Land use: 45,000 km² 
It takes a large area to produce about 10 million tonnes of fuel.

You require about 16 million square km, in order to satisfy current world demand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth#Geography

Earth has about 150 million square km of land, most of which is useless for growing crops (antarcitc, deserts, siberia, northern canada).

Thus, oil from crops will have to compete with food for people, and with an ever increasing population, that is simply not an option, especialy on the long term.

Well, that's my view on it, anyway.
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Re: The upcoming energy crisis.
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2006, 03:47:40 pm »

Lunar helium-3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2006, 04:43:48 pm »

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We all know that oil wont last us forever. Nuclear power wont either. We'll even run out of coal in a couple of hundred years unless something changes.

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So, what alternative power source do you think will be oils replacement, and how do you see it affecting society at large?

Fossil Fuels, Methane Ice, Nuclear Fission, Wind, and Bio-fuels. In other words, I don't see a big replacement, I see a few of them. I see energy staying expensive even after the infrastructure is built to harness these things, emissions dropping for a little while before increased demand for energy brings them up again (china and india,) and farm fields of grains and sugar below, and giant pinwheels spinning above them. I also see myself becoming emperor of the world, but I don't think that this is relevant.


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Thus, oil from crops will have to compete with food for people, and with an ever increasing population, that is simply not an option, especialy on the long term.

Then perhaps the problem is not as much supply as demand. If our population continues to increase, regardless of our power sources, we will not be able to produce enough food for ourselves eventually, especially if there is any kind of hiccup in production brought about by relatively mild natural disaster(s).
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2006, 06:59:41 pm »

There's 2 major powersources I think. The Sun (nuclear) produces wind and water power here on earth... except tidal which is taking energy from the moon. Then there's geothermal (earth magma). Pick anyone of those and you're set for quite a while.

Nuclear is sort of like "all the eggs in one basket"... atleast you're not dropping eggs all over the place like with fossil fuel.

Helium-3 is interesting, apparently it would be so valuable that it's actually worth going to the moon and extract it from the moon dust. Something for GWB to think about... or maybe he have.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2006, 09:29:09 pm »

Set fire to street-bums. They're all over the place.

Street-bum power is the way of the future. I'm sure of it.


Also, I'd stop get arrested for it, and I see that as a bonus.
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2006, 09:48:52 pm »

That is just barbaric. Think of all the people who'd starve to death if you didn't use them for soylent green.
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2006, 09:51:07 pm »

Well, I'm sure we wouldn't have to use all of them.

And what about old people? Aren't there enough to keep up SG production?
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2006, 09:55:51 pm »

No, they are needed for methane production.
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2006, 09:57:37 pm »

I would say nuclear fusion is the best bet. It’s safe and easy to do. The hard part is getting more energy out of fusion then you put into it.
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Re: The upcoming energy crisis.
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2006, 11:04:56 pm »

Aren't you supposed to be studying?
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Re: The upcoming energy crisis.
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2006, 04:12:43 am »

well we have alot of dead people, can't we convert corpses into oil for a little while?

there are few mass graves in the middle east plus think of all the land we'll gain by cutting out the cemetaries  Grin

plus we can nerf golf courses and turn them into valuble homes for all the old people who are about to croak and prep them for the conversion  Cheesy

Or quite a few people will switch to that 'E85 Ethanol' (i think) shit that i've been seein' on that Tee Vee.  Smiley

People feel like Nuclear Fission (or fusion, hell i dont know) but i just have a bad feeling about that.
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