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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2006, 01:09:14 am »

#StarControl IRC chat - 10-18-1998
Paul Reich / Fred Ford / Dan Nicholson (Fwiffo = Paul and Fred , Maelcum_ = Dan Nicholson)
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<LordR-man> Fwiffo- What really happened to the Androsynth in sc2?
<Fwiffo> In regards to the Androsynth: They were snagged by the entity who/which projected its fingers into our dimension (which looked to us as the Orz.)
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<_Stilgar> Fwiffo- was it your intention to make the Orz the "bad guys" in StarControl 3?
<Fwiffo> In our rambling thoughts about SC3 we did seriously consider having the Orz assume a much larger and more ominous role, opposed to the return of the Precursors.

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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2006, 02:20:57 am »

I wonder how hard it would be for the Androsynth to genetically engineer some fertile clones that would allow them to reproduce naturally.

Though I now that I think about this the Androsynth might be against this idea; being proud of the fact that they are all clones. However they might not be against the idea as well; because they, being scientists might want to see what would happen to their genes if they allowed regular meiosis to occur and also how it would look after the production of a zygote.

Any thoughts?

They're sterile. Unless they find some way to artificially create sperm and egg, nothing of the sort is going to happen.
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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2006, 06:26:01 pm »

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They're sterile. Unless they find some way to artificially create sperm and egg, nothing of the sort is going to happen.

They could try capturing some Earthlings to use there parts, or they could alter the genes of a new batch of clones so that the new batch would not be sterile.

Though I guess that they would have to capture some Earthlings just to see what changes had been made to their genes that made them sterile, and then fix it.

The Androsynth are probably happy just cloning themselves, not doing things the messy way the Earthlings do. The only reason for them to try to reproduce naturally, again would purely be for scientific curiosity.   
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« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2006, 08:03:50 pm »

The Androsynth are probably happy just cloning themselves, not doing things the messy way the Earthlings do. The only reason for them to try to reproduce naturally, again would purely be for scientific curiosity.   

Yea-ha-ha-ha. "Scientific curosity." Sure. "Hey baby, let's go alter our gene's, for science." Don't think too much about that, being as the scene is two asexual creatures hitting on each other in a blazer bar. Of course, if you could just take a serum and have the appropiate parts appear that could lead for some interesting rendesvous. "I want the male serum this time. I'm getting tired of you being done before I even get started."

So that whole Talnya scene was just "biological research" eh? Did you play doctor alot as a child?
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« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2006, 10:18:15 pm »

The Androsynth are probably happy just cloning themselves, not doing things the messy way the Earthlings do. The only reason for them to try to reproduce naturally, again would purely be for scientific curiosity.   

Yea-ha-ha-ha. "Scientific curosity." Sure. "Hey baby, let's go alter our gene's, for science." Don't think too much about that, being as the scene is two asexual creatures hitting on each other in a blazer bar. Of course, if you could just take a serum and have the appropiate parts appear that could lead for some interesting rendesvous. "I want the male serum this time. I'm getting tired of you being done before I even get started."

So that whole Talnya scene was just "biological research" eh? Did you play doctor alot as a child?


Wow that cracked me up!

And I donít quite know how to respond with out getting myself in trouble. Iíll just leave it at that. Wink
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2006, 01:51:55 pm »

Ok, this is what i make of the clues in the game:

The Androsynth are extinct. There are no survivors in the galaxy. This hapened as a direct result of tampering with a precursor artefact to open "rifts" to another dimension.

Melnorme and Arilou are directly accusing the Orz. Those are also both interdimensional races. Besides you find traces of "exo-suit combat" at the surface. We can pretty sure say the Orz attacked the Androsynth.

The Orz has indeed destroyed (the word genocide comes to mind) the Androsynth homeworld and made a new home in their zone of control (not on the planet however). Obviously it was a pretty violent fight, all cities are blasted, you find evidence of lots of nuclear weapons being used.

The Orz describes itself as multidimensional being with the Orz, as we see them, being "fingers" and "light reflections", some kind of fish-collective if you want to think about it that way, with no sense of individual thought.

The Orz  becomes hostile if you interrogate it about the Androsynth. It is responsible and knows this damm well, frankly they want nobody else to be aware of it, maybe there is even more to it. They do not refrain from killing other beings for that purpose. Maybe it is forced to do it.

The Orz has not taken over the Androsynth, it destroyed them. But the entity(s?) on the planet seems to be very capapable of attacking the mind directly as well as physically, without using any "light reflections", you do NOT fight fishes in exoskeletal armor down there, more like... ghosts.  Or demons. Whatever it is, you do not want to be around there.

Be it for the rift or because the Orz mastermind entiety is located on that planet (but i doubt that). Orz do not use psychic powers in combat, nor are they invisible, that is limited to ONLY that planet. It makes one think if that is Orz at all. There would be no need for battlearmor, starships and water "atmosphere" in the bridge, right?

There is more to it than just fish, but its not a Dynarri. The Melnorme and Arilou have physical bodies as well, despite being extradimensional. Something very sinsister was going here indeed.

So we have the entiety(s?) on that planet, where the rift was opened and the Orz in space. And we can figure the Orz took that road and left the planet. The question is simply: how are those things on the surface releated to the Orz? There are no Orz colonies. It came through that rift, blasted the entire population and left for space.

Maybe its simply that the rift is still open and the planet is roamed by something else now, something the Orz fled from with the Orz being simply the first, fleeing form their "hurt" world of invisible demons.

Something that made me think is the idea you are only visible for those nonphysical attackers if you are aware of them. The Arilou tell you about that. Its no coincidence that the researchers get attacked as they begin to UNDERSTAND what actually happened (examining the Androsynth datafiles).

And indeed the Orz do not open fire on other races on sight, quite on the contrary. Also they give you a warning not to ask more about Androsynth, only if really pushed hard they DO attack. Its far from being the evil mastermind invading the galaxy, annihilating everything in its path (thats what the Kor-Ah role is).

What was different with the Androsynth?

They were doing RESEARCH on transdimensional rifts. They were AWARE. And pose therefore a threat of being detected by those things the Orz was fleeing from, luring it in this dimension. If you ask to much you become also a THREAT to them, because you investigate as well, to aquire that knowledge.

But the Orz does not want to draw any attention of those things on the planets surface. Thats why they did not leave that area of space, they are GUARDING it, containing whatever horrors are down there from crossing over any more than they are already.

So there they are, unable to explain ANYTHING without luring those things further in the dimension. Unable to make allies... except maybe... if somebody is really desperate enough to ignore that they annihilated a race without asking any questions.

Then you will get a formidable ally. And they will not betray you like backbone laking mollusks.
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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2006, 03:15:18 pm »

The Andros might also wish to shuffle their DNA
to avoid plague. Having a mixed gene pool can
prevent a single disease from wiping out a culture.
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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2006, 07:54:31 pm »

The Andros might also wish to shuffle their DNA
to avoid plague. Having a mixed gene pool can
prevent a single disease from wiping out a culture.

Good point.


As to Dredís comment you still canít prove that some Androsynth did not get away. I think the Androsynth are clever enough to hid themselves if the know some thing is after them.

Like Iíve said before I like the Androsynth too much to believe there all gone.

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« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2006, 05:54:14 am »

The Orz has indeed destroyed (the word genocide comes to mind) the Androsynth homeworld and made a new home in their zone of control (not on the planet however). Obviously it was a pretty violent fight, all cities are blasted, you find evidence of lots of nuclear weapons being used.
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The Orz has not taken over the Androsynth, it destroyed them. But the entity(s?) on the planet seems to be very capapable of attacking the mind directly as well as physically, without using any "light reflections", you do NOT fight fishes in exoskeletal armor down there, more like... ghosts.  Or demons. Whatever it is, you do not want to be around there.
The Androsynth were not destroyed:
http://uqm.stack.nl/forum/index.php?topic=2867.msg36742#msg36742
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<_Stilgar> <ORZ> Q:What was your ideas for the hypothetical Sequal?
<Fwiffo> We never had to settle on an idea, because we never got that close.  But we were thinking about those missing Androsynth.

I've always theorized that just as the fishies are Orz *fingers*, the things on the planet are the *organs* that Orz can use to *slide* others that it can smell (assuming that person is aware of it), likely a *mouth-nose* or something similar.  Thus, if people fight it, they probably get cut on the *teeth*.
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« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2006, 11:36:15 pm »

The Orz "snagged" (tear, break, hinder, destroy or catch?) the Androsynth, and fought something on the surface. It's possible that the Androsynth tampered with some stuff and the Orz had to go in and slap them on their little plastic fingers.

I seriously doubt that a species capable of interstellar travel (and in this case possibly a strong adaptability to different environments) could be utterly destroyed.

Personally, I think most of the mysteries should remain, maybe 80% of them or so. Mystery is often worth more than 'clever' explainations. I think it's okay to elaborate some on of the mysteries though, maybe hint at possible explainations. The Orz and Precursor work better if they're not explained that much more. The Mycon could be elaborated a bit, aswell as the extinct (or not) species like burvixe and Gg. Basically the less known mystery, the more you can elaborate on it, IMHO. Less chance of wrecking things and dissapointing people, while still giving some stuff to find out about.

As for the 'Them' and Androsynth deal, well, if there's any other Androsynths out there, they might have been 'severed from the hive' like Borg and not aware of the fate of their brothers.
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« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2006, 10:02:11 pm »

Personally, I think most of the mysteries should remain, maybe 80% of them or so.

There's nothing wrong with explaining mysteries in a sequel. But good story telling will replace one mystery with another. (Like X-Files, only with more possibility of variety.) However, we don't have a sequel and pretty much no hope of one. So at the moment Star Control's sequels fall into the category of unresolvable forum debate.
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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2006, 06:30:23 pm »

I just had a thought. We know from SC3 that the Precursors made themselves non sentient to avoid the eternal ones.  (If I remembered correctly). Then they keep doing so again and again to survive the onslaught on all sentient beings. Doesnt it sound a bit like the Matrix ? Dejavu
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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2006, 07:15:20 pm »

I just had a thought. We know from SC3 that the Precursors made themselves non sentient to avoid the eternal ones.  (If I remembered correctly). Then they keep doing so again and again to survive the onslaught on all sentient beings. Doesnt it sound a bit like the Matrix ? Dejavu

What on earth dose that have to do with the Androsynth?
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2006, 03:12:19 am »

I just had a thought. We know from SC3 that the Precursors made themselves non sentient to avoid the eternal ones.  (If I remembered correctly). Then they keep doing so again and again to survive the onslaught on all sentient beings. Doesnt it sound a bit like the Matrix ? Dejavu

What on earth dose that have to do with the Androsynth?

Or Starcontrol canon material?
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« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2006, 03:33:55 pm »

what that last has to do with SC2 canon? Well, one COULD argue that the Matrix borrowed/plagiarised the concept from SC2... but then ask me anything about the matrix and its lackluster sequels and you'll get a highly biased and prejudiced remark, so don't.

The androsynth went too far into IDF research, thus allowing the 'outsider' to *smell* them. Fine, bye androsynth. Pity, as they seemed like such nice guys...

The arilou claimed to change OUR *smell* to protect us - probably from this 'outsider' or another, similar threat. Let us assume that the vague threat of the arilou is the same as the orz 'outsider'.

I think it would be very interesting indeed to know WHEN the arilou changed our *smell* - if it was after the androsynth left AND after they got *smell*ed by the 'outsider' - well, that's a no-brainer.
If AFTER the departure but BEFORE the disappearance, or before BOTH - there goes the concept the arilou changing our *smell* in reaction, but it presents the possibility of the arilou changing our *smell* in PROaction.

The possibility also occurs that the arilou interference here on earth wasn't so much with the probing and midnight disappearances, but instead the arilou visiting research facilities to play silly buggers with research records - in the name of keeping us safe and ignorant.

If true... bastards. the utter, utter bastards. (the thought occurs that if I lived in a universe where merely knowing something will get me sucked into an alternate dimension and munched, I won't even live long enough to be cloned)

we've ruled out *smell* being DNA-related, I think.

So far, actually, all pointers point at *smell* as being knowledge. Specifically, knowledge relating to the 'outsider'. So, the more *smell* one has, the stronger one's *odour* is to the 'outsider', right up to the point where *odour* becomes *miasma* or similar. I think that once the 'outsider' can't tolerate the *stink* anymore he/she/they/it goes and gets the shovel.

Bye bye androsynth.

Oh, yeah, the one reason I like the androsynth is because they hate(d) humanity - and for damn good reason. If I had to choose sides, I'd choose androsynth purely because I dislike my own species intensely. (I need a word that is more emphatic than 'misanthrope.')
The other reason is because androsynth are supposed to have this thing for knowledge, science, technology and the advancement/furtheration thereof. Our own species seemes more concerned with $$$ and/or ideology. Usually a vicious, unholy blend. Enough politics - I'm starting to sicken myself.

So - I move that we hunt down this 'outsider' and torture it to tell us where the androsynth are - then kill it. Then we found a massive universal empire dedicated to the furtheration of knowledge, science and technology - and the summary obliteration of anyone who refuses to bow down to the Emperor-God, or whatever.

That's it!
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