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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2006, 06:32:16 am »

'Reality abberations', 'the Mosquito Mange', and ghosts, poltergiests and other malevloent superatural creatures.

Though fwiff did say that the orz are directly responsible, the reasons behind these searches (and, I believe, their direct connection to the appearance of whatever they were fighting) makes me wonder...
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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2006, 07:35:54 am »

Weren't the androsynth constantly wearing headsets that connected them to their main computers? I think the "Androsynth became the Orz" theory is plausible.
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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2006, 07:55:01 am »

Ok, been reading this and feel oddly compelled to break my ongoing lurk and toss my 2 credits in...

Arilou changing our *smell*
  Given that they claim to have visited/known the "first human"  whatever they did to the human species was probably along the lines of some deep, fundamental change to our bodies/minds/auras?  Though they warn that the Orz are not to be trusted, neither do they directly warn against any contact, exploration, as they do when they tell us our ignorance is out best armor against whatever they were hiding us from.

Orz as a single entity.
  Probably so.  Given that they claim to be *many fingers* and not *light reflections* what we see is our minds best guess as to whatever they/it happen to be.  Though given this why the *fingers* would need so many starships and combat vac-suits is beyond me.  Unless it's trying to blend in better?

Androsynth
  I think it's likely that there are Androsynth survivors somewhere in the layers of hyper/quasi space.  Seeing as the Ta'alo have managed to survive their own supposed extinction, as the Orz will tell you, the Androsynth may have managed to evac a fleet or two of ships to some other level of space.  Or perhaps the Orz are keeping them trapped in whatever level they themselves emerged from?  Seeing as all remains of their civilzation are ruined cities on their homeworld, no wrecked ships anywhere, no signs of any orbital installations,  those ships had to go Somewhere.  That or the Orz are really thourough when they want to be...

anyhow, this is all just my personal guesses from what i got out of the game.
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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2006, 09:16:09 am »

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If you keep on with the Orz statements 'I'm still not sure on exactly who you are or where you're from' and/or 'nice to see you again I think' and read the words carefully:

*become*. 'You will also *become*' or words to that effect. Strong pointer for the andros BECOMING orz. scary.
The taalo went to *pretty space* I think. We're in *heavy space*. So the Orz and/or the outsider are pan-dimensional beings. Intriguing. *pretty space* intrigues me, though - wouldn't one possible reason for *pretty space* be that it is some form of 'afterlife' or 'heaven'? They went into *pretty space* because dnyarri were chasing them - dnyarri sleep now so now Orz chase them. I think that's what the orz rep said. Dnyarri sleep - refers to the UQ stripping dnyarri of sentience. but I digress

The taalo and *pretty space*. Either the taalo were annihilated - which is true according to melnorme and urquan - or the taalo developed IDF tech on their own - either as research for research sake, or to flee the dnyarri a la androsynth leaving earth through a 'great big red hole in space.'

getting back to the arilou - why on earth (or off it) would they give two hoots about another alien race? Why try to protect it? What is THEIR ulterior motive? And why don't the Orz like the arilou, or arilou the orz?
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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2006, 09:25:05 am »

Then again, if you really want to get nitpicky about it, one could argue that everything the Orz said could be tossed out.  It could be that the translation, gibbery though it is, is completely wrong.  I don't think it's too far a stretch, givin the Orzs' extreme alien-ness.  After all, the computer admits to making best fist with no guarantee of accuracy for the *words*, so far as we know everything else is off too.  Doubtful from a gameplay perspective, but i do enjoy my paranoid theories from time to time.
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« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2006, 09:04:59 am »

paranoid theories are fun. conspiracy theories more so.

the Orz speaking unmitigated gibberish with highly-inaccurate *lingual best-fits*... hmmm...

Oh, well, so much for that concept. I don't know. I just DON'T KNOW! AARGH!
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« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2006, 02:15:25 am »

Despite not knowing anything about how the translator works, I put forward the notion that despite no guarantee of accuracy, the word was placed there by the computer for a reason.  Now, if we only knew why...


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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2006, 04:04:10 am »

Despite not knowing anything about how the translator works, I put forward the notion that despite no guarantee of accuracy, the word was placed there by the computer for a reason.  Now, if we only knew why...
The Interesting part as I see it is that the computer knows what Orz is saying (meaning that the Precursors understood  the concepts), but that we don't have words (or even phrases) for the lingual best-fits.
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« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2006, 04:24:07 am »

Though the idea that the computer has complete understanding is perfectly plausable, I wonder.  Perhaps it can't translate because of some sort of syntax or linguistic concept it hasn't encountered before or can't decipher.

To try to be more clear, let's say in encounters phoneme X.  This phoneme follows MOST but not ALL of the conventions (according to the translator) for a similar word.  Hence it gives us a 'best-fit' and leaves the log of errors for a linguist to sort out.

Eh, this is all pie in the sky anyway;  The theory behind universal translation was, to my knowledge, disproved in the early nineties.  Along with AI, it became one of the great dissapointments in computing science.

Then again who knows.  Wrong once, could be wrong twice. :3
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« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2006, 12:49:37 pm »

This is a minor digression from the main theme, so please bear with me.

Lately, !rumour! has it that there is new hope for AI with what technology is doing these days. Personally, though, I wonder...
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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2006, 05:12:44 am »

personally, I think the Orz are a single entity with many manefestations. I think this was what happened in sc3, but so many people hate it it's hard to tell if it it still canonical. but a lot in sc2 would suggest that.

someone may have said this before in pages 2 or 3, but the Arilou once said something about they catch *nngnn* at *easy places*, and then let them go because *nngnn* don't like to be confined. Also, perhaps Orz is  an "energy being" for lack of a better title, that feeds off of the energy from the races it uses its *toys* on.  Are *nngnn* a form of energy, or a liveing being of some kind? Orz comes from *heavy space* where it might have destroyed all the sentient life there with its *toys*, so the Arilou have tried to keep it in *Heavy space*, where it may eventually perish from not feeding off of energy. However, Orz finally broke out of *heavy space* because the Androsynth made a hole directly into *heavy space*, which it found and began the feeding process. however Orz must not be omnipotent as it is possible for it to be destroyed by the Khor-Ah on their rampage if you don't finish the game fast enough.

these are some of my theorys. and lastly, perhaps as a way to feed of the unknowing sentient races better, Orz pretends to not be able to tell them anything about itself or of the race they just "ate", instead of unwilling, and manages to gain the trust of several races. this tied to its powerful battleships which can destroy the "edible" races enemys, could gain it trust quickly.

So can your computer REALLY not translate the messages?
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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2006, 05:24:04 am »

"Heavy space" is here while the place the Orz comes from seems to be "pretty space". And the Orz tells you that it is one being with many physical manifestations itself in the game. Quote:


That is *funny*. You think you *see* Orz but Orz are not *light reflections*.
Maybe you think Orz are *many bubbles* too. It is such a joke.
Orz are not *many bubbles* like *campers*. Orz are just Orz.
I am Orz. I am one with many *fingers*.
My *fingers* reach through into *heavy space* and you *see* *Orz bubbles*
but it is really *fingers*.
Maybe you do not even *smell*? That is sad.
*Smelling* *pretty colors* is the best *game*.


"One with many fingers" seems pretty clear for orz-speak. Smiley So, 'we' are 'bubbles' (seperate beings) while the Orz is one being manifesting in many physical places of 'heavy space' at once.
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« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2006, 08:26:58 am »

So, 'we' are 'bubbles' (seperate beings) while the Orz is one being

Alternatively, we are made of many bubbles (cells/atoms/whatnot), whereas the Orz is something completely different.
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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2006, 10:47:37 am »

I've always interpreted *bubbles* as being cells/atoms as well. It's the *translation* that makes the most sense in that context.
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Re: Androsynth (spoilers) again
« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2006, 01:29:47 am »

I can just imagine FF and PR3 sitting back and going "Look at what we've created!"  when they see fans of their marvellous game have a lengthy discussion about a topic such as this Cheesy

This is brilliant!

Also, does anyone have that archive of Star Control History text files?  I had a copy  of it but I can't find it anymore Sad.

I personally believe the Androsynth were at least not COMPLETELY destroyed...  There must be some left somewhere...  I think the 'becoming' Orz theory holds a lot of ground.
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