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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2006, 12:09:33 am »

Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but the Melnorme say clearly that it was the Orz that killed the Andrysmyth.

You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. The Androsynth were seduced by the *below* side of hyperspace. They ceased to be Androsynth and BECAME Orz. When that happened, the human creatures who were once like us were destroyed. So what the Melnorme told you was TRUE... from a certain point of view.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2006, 01:34:35 am »



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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2006, 02:54:23 am »

Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but the Melnorme say clearly that it was the Orz that killed the Andrysmyth.

You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. The Androsynth were seduced by the *below* side of hyperspace. They ceased to be Androsynth and BECAME Orz. When that happened, the human creatures who were once like us were destroyed. So what the Melnorme told you was TRUE... from a certain point of view.
I suppose it's a possibility.
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2006, 05:41:10 pm »

Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but the Melnorme say clearly that it was the Orz that killed the Andrysmyth.

You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. The Androsynth were seduced by the *below* side of hyperspace. They ceased to be Androsynth and BECAME Orz. When that happened, the human creatures who were once like us were destroyed. So what the Melnorme told you was TRUE... from a certain point of view.

First your theory makes the Orz sound a bit like the Borg. If the Androsynth became Orz because they changed there *smell* when they learned too much about DF why did Bukowski not become Orz as well?

If your theory is true it seems that over time that all sentient life would become Orz. They are gone, now there is only Orz.
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2006, 06:18:24 pm »

The Orz say the place they come from is *hurt* and I wonder if the Orz fled that space and came here when they became aware of ours once the Androsynth made some *slippery places*.  Perhaps whatever was *hurt* killed off the Androsynth as the Orz were coming through.
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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2006, 03:23:43 am »

I still say that the Orz is a singular entity, and the fish thingies we see are its projections into our reality, or as the Orz say *fingers*. They mention that they are not *light reflections* and that they are not *many bubbles* like we are. The Orz refers to itself as both a singular entity and as multiple entities in conversations. I think this is based on context. The former is when it refers to its extradimensional self and the latter is a reference to the ships and fish beings perceived by everyone in this dimension.

I don't have the specifics on hand, but after reading through the Orz dialogue I was convinced that the Orz displaced the Androsynth rather than killing them off. Remember the absence of any bodies on the Androsynth homeworld? There was other stuff too, but I'm not very motivated to look for it at the moment.

Just tossing my opinion into the ring. =)
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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2006, 03:46:06 am »

Ahhh...this old debate continues. I made my points, albeit rather harshly, on the previous topic on this in the Long Long Ago. I'll sum it up.

-The Androsynth, upon discovering the Precursor Artifact, bring it home and start research on it.
-Eventually, they discover it's purpose- opening rifts in the space/time continuum to an alternate dimension.
-What they didn't know was the Orz, a singular being with multiple *fingers*, was waiting on the other side.
-The Orz attacked the Androsynth via the rift that was created on their surface, capturing or otherwise removing all traces of their existence.
-The blasted cities found on the surface of their planet show an attempt by the Androsynth to defend themselves from this invading force, apparently with thermonuclear weaponry as the reference to "nuclear bazookas" is given by Xenotech Killgore on examining the planet's surface.

In a nutshell, that's what I think happened. The Orz didn't eat the Androsynth, or the Androsynth didn't become the Orz. Their final fate is still unknown...to us, at least. The Arilou might know, but they're not telling, as usual.
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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2006, 12:59:45 pm »

I always had the impression that the Orz made a sloppy attempt to destroy the Androsynth discoveries that lead to their demise at the hands of this unknown evil from another dimension that destroyed/absorbed the Androsynth. Doesn't somebody say that it looks like theire type of weaponry. Sloppy because they didn't destroy enough of it for your crew members to not almost unleash it on humanity. The Androsynth were sucked into some kind of hell dimension (no bodies found on the homeworld) and the Orz tried to keep anyone else from being smelled by destroying all remnants of Androsynth civiliization.

The Arilou clearly aren't saying that the Orz are the same thing they've been hiding humanity from or they wouldn't even have made you aware of them.

There is definitely another critter at work, since (even though the guy reporting on it is too thick to realize it) that scientist is being attacked by something invisible in the plot stuff on the Androsynth homeworld.

I don't remember what the Melnorme said, but I don't remember them saying the Orz killed the Androsynth outright. In any case, I don't think the Orz are all that malevolent.

Maybe I'll pull all the relevant text from both versions of the game just in case there's a difference (haven't beat my first game of UQM yet).
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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2006, 11:24:03 pm »

Checked the Melnorme thing. Here's all that:

"Following the end of the war, the Androsynth began experimenting with inter-dimensional fatigue, a process related to your faster-than-light drive but involves dimensions far more alien than hyperspace. They had just made a major breakthrough when they were wiped out by a race called the Orz who seemingly appeared out of nowhere. Actually, we don’t know what the Orz did to the Androsynth – They’re just all gone."

Anybody ever wonder if maybe the Melnorme are also the survivors of that Mael-Num race from the Sentient Milieu?
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2006, 12:35:17 am »

Anybody ever wonder if maybe the Melnorme are also the survivors of that Mael-Num race from the Sentient Milieu?

I heard that before, and some sources I have read just accept it as a fact.
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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2006, 12:39:07 am »

I still like to think that some of the Androsynth escaped and are out there some where.(ofcourse this is because the Androsynth are my favorite race)
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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2006, 08:22:51 pm »

I don't remember what the Melnorme said, but I don't remember them saying the Orz killed the Androsynth outright. In any case, I don't think the Orz are all that malevolent.

My argument against this is the creators FF & PR3 had repeately said that the Orz were to have some sort of malevolent air about them. Something bad was going to happen when they were taken into quasi-space which was thrown out and something about them in the sequel. However, as to what they had in mind, like the number of licks to the center of a tootsie roll pop, the world may never know.

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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2006, 06:23:44 pm »

-The Androsynth, upon discovering the Precursor Artifact, bring it home and start research on it.
-Eventually, they discover it's purpose- opening rifts in the space/time continuum to an alternate dimension.
-What they didn't know was the Orz, a singular being with multiple *fingers*, was waiting on the other side.
-The Orz attacked the Androsynth via the rift that was created on their surface, capturing or otherwise removing all traces of their existence.
-The blasted cities found on the surface of their planet show an attempt by the Androsynth to defend themselves from this invading force, apparently with thermonuclear weaponry as the reference to "nuclear bazookas" is given by Xenotech Killgore on examining the planet's surface.

I think that most of us agree on that.

The Orz didn't eat the Androsynth, or the Androsynth didn't become the Orz. Their final fate is still unknown...to us, at least.

But, why are you so sure that the Orz didn't eat the Androsynth?
It's sure that the Androsynth were defeated by the Orz, probably in the way you said above, but we don't know what happened after that. The Orz may have eaten/cloned/whatever the Androsynth, like guesst said.

Of course, it's only a possibility.
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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2006, 08:39:55 pm »

The Orz didn't eat the Androsynth, or the Androsynth didn't become the Orz. Their final fate is still unknown...to us, at least.

But, why are you so sure that the Orz didn't eat the Androsynth?
It's sure that the Androsynth were defeated by the Orz, probably in the way you said above, but we don't know what happened after that. The Orz may have eaten/cloned/whatever the Androsynth, like guesst said.

Of course, it's only a possibility.

Because, like XR4-IT, I happen to like the Androsynth and don't subscribe to the idea that they have somehow "become" the Orz (and in the process lost certain lingual abilities) or that they were consumed and are forever extinct as a race.

The other thing that bothers me about  peoples' views on the 'synth is that they are all homosexual. Why is this? Because the entire race is male? I believe there may be a certain percentage of them that might possibly develop such desires, but as far as I recall, they were sterile and could only make clones of themselves. One would think Hsien Ho would've removed the desire to reproduce as to let the Androsynth focus more on their scientific, athletic and aesthetic aspects of life. With no desire or motive (or ability, for that matter!) to attempt procreation, why try?

I know, I know...the pink triangle. IMO, the Androsynth used this symbol as it was used before; a symbol of breaking from the norm and tradition. It symbolized their escape from that which held them and set themselves apart as a distinct and unified group of superhumans.

EDIT: Fixed grammatical errors. Whee, four hours of sleep!
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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2006, 10:32:28 pm »

I wonder how hard it would be for the Androsynth to genetically engineer some fertile clones that would allow them to reproduce naturally.

Though I now that I think about this the Androsynth might be against this idea; being proud of the fact that they are all clones. However they might not be against the idea as well; because they, being scientists might want to see what would happen to their genes if they allowed regular meiosis to occur and also how it would look after the production of a zygote.

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