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Topic: Afghani Man being setenced to death for converting from Islam to Christianity!!! (Read 34872 times)
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Deus Siddis
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I heard he's in italy now, been granted asylum.
2) It's their right to do it. The Afghani people can make up their own minds about Afghan law, can't they?
Democrasy in action.
I think the moral is converting to Christianity in a country where
they'll kill you for it is nuts.
Or maybe not trying to kill the people who'll kill you for it is nuts. If I were in his shoes (not much of a family, not much of a country) they'd better prey to ala that I make it to the sactuary of another nation. The first one to try and stone me for bullshit like this, is the first I'd send to his 72 virgins. Hey, if they're going to kill you anyway, why not go down as a fighting martyr.
It's not really even christinaity that's the issue here, is it?
No, that's just what he converted to. You could also complain about us mentioning the detail that he is a man, saying his gender isn't the issue either, couldn't you?
Still, it's sad to see that we once again lack initiative and eagerness in the west. Why are we not demonstrating in front of Afghani, Pakistani and Iranian embassies, demanding that they stop persecuting Christians? Flag burning would be nice too. After all, the idea of demanding respect for your religion should work both ways.
I suppose we could, but it'd make life rougher for our troops over there, and we need the tiberium. 
Because we don't care.
And because we can't "liberate" them from they're own violent stupidity. We removed the taliban, but unless the current regime is unpopular, we can't just go and kick them out too.
It's a real morals twister. To fight injustice, one must embrace tyranny and dictatorship over the masses.
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Deus Siddis
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Jesus went peaceably, look at the impact he made. Violence begets violence, but as Ghandi said, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Jesus and Ghandi sorta got killed. Ghandi also wasn't talking to me, because I don't subscribe to the this=that law of vengeance or whatever. If someone comes to kill you for something like this, he'll probably hurt many other innocents for similar "violations" of islamic bullsh*t law. So, if you can't get away, why not save all those lives he would have someday destroyed, by stoning/blowing him away, with divine justice (gods on your side, remember.)
If they just killed you, no effort to resist on your behalf, the shockwave created would probably be pretty big.
Oh, well now that you put it that away, I guess getting killed isn't so bad. (You're not the kind of person who looks both ways before he crosses, are you?) 
But, if I allow him to kill me for being a christian convert, think of all the christians around the world who would look down on muslim's for this. So to follow in Jesus' and Ghandi's wishes, I must not allow myself to lay down and die as a martyr for increased animosity between the two religions.
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Deus Siddis
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That could actually be very true, in a dull, non-supernatural way. Many have been entombed alive, by their dumb-ass relatives who don't wait until they start to stink or stiffen up. Jesus could have been in a coma, or taken some zombie fish, like those in the caribean. Then later some strong friends are paying their respects, and Jesus is like "Yo, like I'm totally trapped in here" and so they roll the rock out of the way. Then his wife and mother come strolling by and sayeth "Shit, the lord hath taken him upeth to the kingdom above and. . ." interrupted by the other dudes "No, he was just in a coma from all the partyin' during the last super, he jumped on a carivan headed back for India."
The rest of the official story is then written out by other members of the cult.
Of course, if you want something more exciting, Jesus could also have been abducted by pervert aliens in a flying CD.
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JonoPorter
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This is rather interesting and all too common. The moment I bring up the resurrection of Jesus Christ, people try to attack my faith with statements that are either not relevant or generally insulting. Only Deus_Siddis came up with an intelligent attack. A problem with his is that the Romans posted guards on Jesus tomb and would not let him walk away out after sentencing him to death. Another is while Christ was still on the cross Romans pierced his heart with a spear to make sure he was dead. Jesus Christ did not die to become a martyr; he came to do the ultimate sacrifice so that our sins may be forgiven if we only believe in him.
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I think, the only one which refers to Jesus being
stabbed by a guard while on the cross and it just says
he was stabbed in the side.
In an eariler book, I think Mathew, it says when Mary comes to
the tomb, the Roman guards appeared to be dead/asleep. Jesus
might have been snuck by them.
OK so I got heart and side mixed up, but the rest correct.
Here are the passages you mentioned.
John 19:33-34:
33But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
Even if it wasn’t his heart the blood loss would have killed him if he wasn’t already dead.
Matthew 28: 2- 4
2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. Matthew 28: 11- 15
11While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13telling them, "You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.' 14If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." 15So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
So was Jesus. However, if Jesus really came back from the dead (as Bio points out) then it was a different sort of sacrifice.
I think you may miss interpret or miss understand what the sacrifice was and is. The Jewish community before Christ came had to do periodic sacrifices. Jesus came as the ultimate Lamb of God and was sacrificed so our sins can be forgiven, the last sacrifice. All you have to do is believe in him to be forgiven and saved.
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