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Re: Afghani Man being setenced to death for converting from Islam to Christianity!!!
« Reply #60 on: April 06, 2006, 12:40:19 am »

Actually, I have none of those choice words for you, Deus. As a man of science, I always enjoy watching people approach these rediculous debates from a logical standpoint (though I prefer playing devil's advocate myself). Carry on! Wink
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« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2006, 02:30:50 am »

To answer an earilier question, the Name That Religion game
I play is usually in person. That is, I'll spot someone on the
bus or in a mall. Anyone who holds still and appears to stand
out in some religious fashion. (Carrying a Bible, holding
prayer beads.)
I try to get as accurate as possible. For example,
Catholic, Mormon, Baptist. I'm pretty good at pegging
Christian groups. Since there are very few Jewish or
Muslim people in this area, I generally just shoot for a
general category there, rather than a specific group.

Anyway, it looks like I got a point for this one. Thanks XR4-IT.

PS. As I understand it (and I hope someone will correct me if
I'm mistaken) but most Mormons don't like the idea of
polygamy. I think it's a case of a sort of brnach off the main stream
Mormon faith. As I understand it, the church of LDS doesn't offically
support marrying multiple partners.
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Re: Afghani Man being setenced to death for converting from Islam to Christianity!!!
« Reply #62 on: April 06, 2006, 11:01:52 am »

I was thinking more of a general protest, I used the flagburning as an example of a extreme protest. Camping outside embassies of countries that enforce sharia law, demonstarting and protesting was closer to what I meant. Yet, noone seems to be doing that.

I've been thinking about, and I came to the conclusion that Europeans (tough I can't speak for any country but mine) protest for more pragmatic reasons.
There are loads of protests by labour unions (especially if the government is about to discuss the budget), ssome anti-globalisation protests, every once in a while people protest in order to change a particular policy of our country, but the only protest that could be put in the same category as protesting the tratment of the Afgani man, was a recent one about the presidential elections in Byelarus.

Outside of that and maybe a few anti-Bush, anti-war in Iraq war protests going on from time to time, there was absolutely nothing happened in ages that could be compared to the hypothetical protest you speak of.

And quite frankly I hasitate to make this comparison between the mentioned protests.
Byelarus is our neighbor and we're involved in the war in Iraq, so it's not like there is nothing to loose/gain in those issues, whereas Afganistan is far away and there are no Afgani minorities over here.
So maybe the reason why no one is protesting is because people think we should mind our own buisness... or they just don't care.
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Re: Afghani Man being setenced to death for converting from Islam to Christianity!!!
« Reply #63 on: April 06, 2006, 05:42:01 pm »

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This is one of the reasons that The Church of Jesus Christ believes in our rather large cannon of scripture namely the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

So what is the point of the whole multiple-wives thing? Why can't a wife take multiple husbands? (Or have I misunderstood mormon's concept of polygamy?) Doesn't this make marriage less meaningful?

I’ll gladly answer your question.

First the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints dose not at this time practice polygamy at this time, but we did in times past.

In the Bible some of the great patriarchs had multiple wives, like Abraham and Jacob. The Book of Mormon has this to say on polygamy: Jacob 2 : 27 – 30

 27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any aman among you have save it be bone• cwife; and concubines he shall have none;
 
 28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the achastity of women. And bwhoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
 
 29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or acursed• be the land for their sakes.
 
 30 30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up aseed• unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.

As to why women don’t take more than one husband, I don’t have a good answer for that.

I don’t see it as making marriage less meaningful, as long as all in the marriage hold up the covenant.

I am however glad that I don’t have to do it my self.

Also only a very small percent of the church ever practiced polygamy when the church did do it.

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« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2006, 09:36:44 pm »

Ok as I was rereading the thread I saw that there was a question asked of me about our temples in general.

I’ll try to give the best general answer I can on this subject.

Fist of all you have to understand that we believe that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was restored by revelation and also by heavenly messengers, angels if you will, to the Prophet Joseph Smith.

Jesus taught that of the importance of priesthood and revelation to his disciples in Matthew 16:15-19.

 15 He saith unto them, But whom say aye• that I am?
 
 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the aChrist, the bSon of the cliving God.
 
 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon aBar•-jona: for flesh and blood hath not brevealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
 
 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this arock• I will build my bchurch; and the gates of chell shall not dprevail• against it.
 
 19 And I will agive• unto thee the bkeys of the ckingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt dbind• on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

We believe that the “rock” Jesus spoke of was not just Peter, but also the revelation that Peter had received from God, and that it was the rock of revelation that Christ built his church on. You will also note that Peter acted as head of the church after Jesus ascended into heaven.

We also believe that keys of the kingdom of heaven are necessary to bind in heaven covenants and ordinances that are performed here on Earth.

This binding or sealing power was restored when Elijah appeared to Joseph Smith this happened in fulfillment to prophecy that was given in Malachi 4:5-6

5 ¶ Behold, I will asend• you bElijah• the prophet cbefore• the coming of the dgreat• and dreadful eday• of the LORD:
 
 6 And he shall aturn the bheart• of the cfathers to the dchildren, and the heart of the echildren to their fathers, lest I come and fsmite• the gearth with a hcurse.

Now to Temples. We use temples for ceremonies, like the Israel did in the Old Testament; we do not perform sacrifices in the temple because there was no need to do so after the law was fulfilled by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

The main ceremonies that are performed in the Temple are the Endowment and Marriage Sealing.

The Endowment is a ceremony in which we learn about our relationship with God and his plan for us. We also make covenants with God to obey his commandments, and he to bless us as we keep the commandments.

Marriage Sealing or commonly referred to as Sealing, is a wedding ceremony that allows marriage to continue after death, and through eternity in heaven.

We do these ceremonies along with Baptisms for the Dead in behalf of our dead ancestors who did not have the opportunity to hear the gospel in this life, which may have chosen to fallow it in the world of spirits; Hence the harts of the children turning to there fathers.
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« Reply #65 on: April 08, 2006, 02:44:14 am »

Well that was *interesting* to read XR4-IT, but you’re long winded.  Shocked
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« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2006, 02:59:23 am »

Well that was *interesting* to read XR4-IT, but you’re long winded.  Shocked

Honestly, it was not a simple question. What did you expect. Although I (the other resident Mormon on these boards) would have answerd the question a little differently. Oh, XR4-IT did a dandy job. But my answers would have gone...

Temples -
Why doesn't your religion have temples? Where in the new testiment oes it say, "Verily and behold, ye shall no longer worship at the temple. Synagogs should just about do it, only we're going to call them "churches" now." You find me that reference.

Now, in these latter-days we recieved the revelation that not only did God never do away with Temples, but that we were to commence the building of new ones. That revelation can be found in Doctrine and Convenants 58. (I'd link to it, but http://scriptures.lds.org seems to be having some trouble right now.)

Polygamy -
Doctrine and Convenants 132 lays out the intricacies and details of eternal marrage. In it polygamy is detailed as being no against Gods will and actually a part of the new and everlasting covenant of marage. For some reason this is a difficult thing for people to accept. But polygamy is not and never was about sex, so get that out of your head. If you can, read D&C 132 and if you still have questions, well, XR4-IT or I will attempt to answer them the best we can.
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« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2006, 05:38:00 am »

"Why doesn't your religion have temples?"

We do have one, the Hand of Nod. There's also one we use that was built buy the Xel'Naga, but it is hard to make the pilgrimage there without a wormhole gateway.

Seriously, I said I was agnostic, so what would I have a temple to (other than my cat?) And who cares about temples, anyway. People might just be a little curious that they are closed to outsiders and that the ceremonies that take place within are often secret.


"You find me that reference."

The book of endurium, passage 54-12.


"In it polygamy is detailed as being no against Gods will and actually a part of the new and everlasting covenant of marage."

So why not allow multi-husband marriages?


"But polygamy is not and never was about sex, so get that out of your head."

I didn't say I had it in my head. So then what kind of relationship is it supposed to be? Are all but one of the wives expected to keep their virginity?
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« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2006, 12:49:29 pm »

The Mormon church offically did away with multiple marrage
partners in 1904, 14 years after the US government outlawed
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« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2006, 02:36:20 pm »

But didn't Mormon himself practice or at least proclaim that polygamy should be acceptable?
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« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2006, 06:08:37 pm »

But didn't Mormon himself practice or at least proclaim that polygamy should be acceptable?

Mormon never said anything on the subject that is recorded in the Book of Mormon.

Mormon was an ancient Prophet Historian who lived on the American continent about 400 AD. He compiled and abridged a record of his people the Nephites, who were a branch of the house of Israel that left Jerusalem about 600 BC at the time of the Prophet Jeremiah.

For those of you who are not familiar with the Book of Mormon it is a record of this branch Israel that live as I said on the American continent, The book tells about there dealings with God. The book also tells us that after his resurrection Jesus Christ visited these people and taught them the gospel.

Mormon and his son Moroni wrote the record on gold plates, and after there civilization was destroyed by wickedness and wars, Moroni hid the plates in a hill.  Later God sent Moroni as an angel to Joseph Smith and told him where to find the plats. Joseph was given means to translate this other testament of Jesus Christ in to English, and later the book was translated in to other modern languages.       
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« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2006, 11:17:19 pm »

Wow. So then how did the Nephites get to North America? Isn't that sort of hard to do, from where they started?

Also, where are these gold plates? If they were brought to public attention, they would maybe turn some heads, assuming this is all true.

And about Joseph Smith, didn't he endorse/practice polygamy?
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« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2006, 11:25:08 pm »

Out there, they are a bunch of over-extremist nut-cases, to be honest, I'm not sure it would do so much harm to storm in there and change thoose laws, they breach humanitarian rights...

One thing decent about the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za, they'll end up destroying evil people in what they do.
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« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2006, 11:42:31 pm »

Wow. So then how did the Nephites get to North America? Isn't that sort of hard to do, from where they started?

The Book of Mormon reads that during the time of Jeremiah the Prophet the people of Jerusalem where in a state of wickedness, and that the city was going to be destroyed. Lehi (Nephi’s father) was warned of the impending destruction by God, and was told that he his family and a small group of people were to flee from the land of Jerusalem. The Lord directed them in the wilderness too the sea (ocean), and commanded and instructed them to build a ship so that they could travel to a promised land; the American continents.

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Also, where are these gold plates? If they were brought to public attention, they would maybe turn some heads, assuming this is all true.
Yes they were brought to public attention, and a good many people had some things to say about it.  The testimonies of several people who saw the gold plats are printed in every copy of the Book of Mormon.

After the translation was completed Moroni took them from the prophet, and they remain in his possession to this day.

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« Reply #74 on: April 12, 2006, 01:16:52 am »

Yes, J. Smith supported the multi-marrage thing. But
the Church of LDS forbid the proactise in 1904 (14 years
after the US government told them to knock it off).

Just to clear up one point. From what I understand
of the origin of the translation and the gold plates,
good ol' Joe was the only one to actually see them.
Then, once the translatio nwas finished, an angel
came to take them away. This seems awfully
suspecious in my mind. The only piece of physical
evidence was taken away by an angel?

I thought the Nephites were destroyed by a rival clan
on the North American land? Doesn't the BoM suggest
the rival civilization were the same people we call
First Nations/Natives?
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