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XR4-IT
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Just to clear up one point. From what I understand
of the origin of the translation and the gold plates,
good ol' Joe was the only one to actually see them.
Then, once the translatio nwas finished, an angel
came to take them away. This seems awfully
suspecious in my mind. The only piece of physical
evidence was taken away by an angel?
There were others who saw them. To clear up confusion I’ll post the above stated testimony of witnesses.
THE TESTIMONY OF
THREE WITNESSES
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
OLIVER COWDERY
DAVID WHITMER
MARTIN HARRIS
THE TESTIMONY OF
EIGHT WITNESSES
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship. And this we bear record with words of soberness, that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. And we give our names unto the world, to witness unto the world that which we have seen. And we lie not, God bearing witness of it.
CHRISTIAN WHITMER
JACOB WHITMER
PETER WHITMER, JUN.
JOHN WHITMER
HIRAM PAGE
JOSEPH SMITH, SEN.
HYRUM SMITH
SAMUEL H. SMITH
I thought the Nephites were destroyed by a rival clan
on the North American land? Doesn't the BoM suggest
the rival civilization were the same people we call
First Nations/Natives?
Yes you are corect.
After the party reach the American continent, and the death of Lehi, the group divided into two nations the Lamanites, and the Nephites. In the end the Lamanites destroyed the Nephites after they had fallen into wickedness.
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guesst
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Doing well at what? Getting all your facts wrong so they have to be corrected? Good job there, Zeepy.
Reading that again, it can be taken rather like I'm being mean. Which I'm not. Entirely. Maybe a little.
What I'm trying to say is, Zeep, if there's a contest for enflaming a Mormon to make verbose posts, you've taken first prize. And before you say anything, DS, don't even vie for 2nd. You only get first in proving why nobody likes religious discussions with agnostics.
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What I'm trying to say is, Zeep, if there's a contest for enflaming a Mormon to make verbose posts, you've taken first prize.
Yes, because he finds the disappearing plates a little fishy, he is trying to inflame you.
And before you say anything, DS, don't even vie for 2nd.
Ah shit, I SO wanted to win the "enflaming a Mormon to make verbose posts" contest. Everyone back home had such high hopes that I'd at least take second.
You only get first in proving why nobody likes religious discussions with agnostics.
 You don't mean that !
Nobody? As in you?
I (and my name is not nobody) don't dislike being in a religious discussion when I'm in it with myself (who is an agnostic, from what I've heard.) I also don't mind other agnostics or atheists or religions of anykind in religious discussions.
Seriously, you don't even think any agnostics want a religious discussion that has themselves or other agnostics in it?
. . .Or is an agnostic just nobody to you?
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I had seriosuly hoped to catch my post before you got a chance to respond to it DS. It was mean and unnecessary and I regreteed it shortly after I wrote it, but unfortunately too late to do anything about it. I appologize for intentionally offending you.
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Yes well I wish there were more people viewing this thread, because I liked getting more peoples views and questions, but the news story that started this is old. O well.
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We did. You did. Yes we can. No.
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Speaking of the news story, he was released and left the country safely.
All's well that ends well, right?
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Hmmm, this has been going on for years. The've met with varing degrees of consequences. Like I said, I knew one a few years back who'd father, in an act of mercy, lobodimized him, just a little bit, so that he could practice his religion. It's not been often they've recieved press coverage, but it probably doesn't make a difference. Especally if it ends in happily ever after. Maybe a mayrter or two will shake things up, but I'm not voulenteering.
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Martyrs wanted, now hiring.
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