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guesst
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I've always held the idea that since Jesus knew someone would
turn him over to the Romans and didn't do anything to stop it,
that the idea Judas was acting in accordance to Jesus' will
was obvious. Why the need for this extra document? The
idea is already in the existing four gospels.
I'm simultaniously trying to resist the urge to comment on this and at the same time beat everyone else to it.
What the heck.
First of all, rejecting the idea of extra documents is a dangerious thing to do. Just because we have a Bible doesn't mean that it is the end of God's word. When did God die? When did he become mute? The idea that "We've got a Bible and don't need anything more" is dangeriously like turning your back on God. Keep in mind, in the dark ages God did not abandon man, man abandoned God.
However, as for the Idea that we didn't need this book because "obviously" the cruicifiction couldn't have happened without Jesus' concent, I have one word. Bull. (To no-Americans unfamiliar with the vernicular, that's an abreviated version of a phrase that means, in this case at least, "That's a worth-nothing lie.")
Jesus knew he was going to be betrayed, yes. But his will was not to do anything to stop it. The idea that nothing happens that is not God's will is often erroniously interpeated to mean that everything that happends is because God wants it to. This rather Calvinist idea has one major flaw. God loves us all.
God knows that some of us are not worthy of the eternal gifts and glories that others are. So how will he show us what we're worthy of in a way that we can not argue with him about what we earn? Simple, he lets us do what we want, what we will. Thus, the evil that happens is not God's will that it happen, but rather God's will that it be permitted to happen. Imagine if God struck down every evil doer before they had a chance to hurt anyone. The whole plan of salvation would be frustrated.
A side effect of this is that the actions of the few wicked leaves a trail of innoscently wronged in it's wake. However, the justice of God is such that the unjustly wronged will be rewarded in heaven if they suffer their afflictions well and remain rightous.
As for the validity of the book, like I said, don't be so quick to discount new scripture. However, be cautious. By even the 1st century after Christ was gone the church he had established was more than gone, hearlding in the age that Isaiah said would be a famine, not of food or water, but of hearing the word of God. Any book written in this period has the possibility of being erronious.
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I've edited my remark somewhat. I'm glad you don't feel additional scripture is an impossibility. A lot of people do. One of the big bruhaha's about the book of Judas is that the Bible is less the end all-be all of the word of God and more a collection of books chosen for their political significance as, if not more, than their spiritual significance.
As for it going against "established" gospel, the funny thing about the bible is it is almost possible to have ANYTHING you want fall into line with the Bible. Murder, rape, and all maner of crimes against God and man (and women) have been justified by the Bible. More scripture can help clarify some matters, but there has to be something else because reason can twist anything.
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guesst
After reading your comments on this thread, I would say that you would be Mormon too. Or at least you all but quoted a passage from the Book of Mormon.
Tell me if I get a point.
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Ok I just read the PDF.
The translation is spotty at best, and there are sections of text missing.
The parts that might have the most relevance to Christian doctrine seem to have the biggest holes in the text.
Perhaps there is a better translation out there some where.
I don’t think that this one even had all the lines that were sited in the news stories where in this copy.
So the search continues.
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