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Re: the Conspiracy (Or Races to Good to be False)
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2006, 07:50:19 pm »

D&D is fun enough, I like it when I can find a good DM.
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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2006, 08:05:21 pm »

I have to agree. Pen and paper role playing, when done properly,
will blow any video game out of the water because there
are so many less restrictions.
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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2006, 08:26:24 pm »

Gads, not GURPS though. Second worst system I've ever encountered. It takes forever to accomplish anything in-game. Players get bored, games die. Looks good on paper, fails utterly (in my experience) in practice.

I played lots of AD&D 2nd ed. years ago... I miss those days. And it's true, with a good DM and a player group that isn't trying to play "screw with the DM," pencil and paper can trump most video games with ease. However, I've encountered my fair share of bad DMs (and for a short time, was one myself; see that blurb on GURPS above), and they're much more common. Plus, developers who are willing to put in the time and effort can tell extremely compelling stories in electronic format; if nothing else, SC2 and Fallout are proof of that.

However, this brings up a kooky idea (which I'm occasionally known for, just check that crossover thread) which may or may not be appropriate for this site. Has anyone thought of trying to run a forum RPG set in the Starcon universe? We have a huge userbase here, some of which would be interested in participating, I'm sure. Just putting it out there, feel free to discuss.
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2006, 08:36:24 pm »


However, this brings up a kooky idea (which I'm occasionally known for, just check that crossover thread) which may or may not be appropriate for this site. Has anyone thought of trying to run a forum RPG set in the Starcon universe? We have a huge userbase here, some of which would be interested in participating, I'm sure. Just putting it out there, feel free to discuss.

That sounds like fun, but I’ve never played a forum RPG before; how does it work? Who would DM?
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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2006, 09:03:50 pm »

I would hate to plug a personal haunt, but I've run, and still do run, a couple of forum RPGs (one active, one on indefinite hiatus). If I can get an OK from one of the mods here, I'll post up a link to it.
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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2006, 10:13:59 pm »

I would hate to plug a personal haunt, but I've run, and still do run, a couple of forum RPGs (one active, one on indefinite hiatus). If I can get an OK from one of the mods here, I'll post up a link to it.
Cool let us know.
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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2006, 05:48:49 am »

If I recall correctly, I remember reading somewhere that the Yehat were impressed somewhat by humanity since they achieved spaceflight on their own without having been uplifted by another race. I'll do some digging to see where I got it from.

Also, the Chenjesu were humanities first contact with alien races. It was presumably them that gave humans hyperwave technology and introduced us to the other alliance races.

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Found it http://starcontrol.classicgaming.gamespy.com/sc2/aliens/yehat.shtml
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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2006, 05:27:44 pm »

Perhaps the Yehat still might think highly of humanity for achieving spaceflight on their own, but without the first war, what wouls top them from simply seeing rivals, potential enemies, or just a race that is sufficiently advanced to give them an honorable battle? That's speculation, of course, but so is everything else here; a galactic war really changes your outlook on life. Wink
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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2006, 05:42:41 pm »

The Yehat may excel at combat, but there's nothing I've read about them that makes me believe they routinely go out of their way to antagonize other species. Honor does not exist only in combat, after all. I can imagine the Yehat seeing us as rivals, but not necessarily as enemies. It would depend on how the hypothetical relations between Yehat and humans develop.
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2006, 08:24:16 pm »

Considering how well they developed between Humans and most of the other races that first contact was made with (see: VUX, Androsynth), I'd say the odds might not be as good as you think. Tongue
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2006, 04:33:06 pm »

If ORZ existed and humankind will have a contact with them, everybody from this forum will be immediately offered a job of a translator Wink
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2006, 10:00:07 pm »

Considering how well they developed between Humans and most of the other races that first contact was made with (see: VUX, Androsynth), I'd say the odds might not be as good as you think. Tongue
I don't think it's fair to include the Androsynth on the list of botched first contacts since they weren't a separate species first encountered in space, but rather a type of human being who separated themselves of their own accord.

As for the VUX, they would have disliked humans no matter what. 'The Insult' was actually considered a very minor offense, at least compared to how ugly we apparently were to them.
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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2006, 03:16:17 am »

Perhaps. But relations with both races show the true nature of humanity shining right through: petty, cruel, xenophobic, and violent. What makes you think any other first contacts would have gone any better? We might have screwed it up with the Chenjesu if it wasn't for the dire situation, and there's no telling what one of the more warlike races would have thought.
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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2006, 08:10:34 am »

And yet it was a human who united both former allies and enemies to free the stars from the threat of the Ur-Quan. Not exactly a petty, cruel, or particularly xenophobic thing to do. Violence, it seems, is a trait shared by many other intelligent species in the Star Control universe. Not an excuse, but it does mean it's not a flaw borne by humanity alone.

Anyway, I'm not arguing that a first contact would necessarily go well. I'm just saying that I don't think it's likely that the Yehat would decide to erase humanity from the cosmos because of a few blunders. The Yehat acknowledge they have a pretty bloody history themselves, and seem to be pretty understanding when it comes to "young" species. Just look at the Shofixti.
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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2006, 08:49:56 am »

If I could meet any of the SC 2 races I'd meet the:

Syreen (for obvious reasons)
Umgah (they could be funny though I wouldn't want to touch one)
Chmmr (I'm curious to see a silicon based lifeform)
Zoq-Fot-Pik (lets go see what this frungy is about)
Utwig (Since they're normally festive and fun, and who better to have on your side in a fight)
Yehat:  I thought they looked pretty cool, and I liked their theme music
Shofixti:  Same reasons as the Yehat

Anyway those are the ones I'd like to meet.  There are others that I wouldn't mind meeting but wouldn't seek them out.  Could someone please invent practical super-luminal spaceflight?
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