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Other great old games
« on: December 22, 2002, 08:05:44 pm »

Replaying SC2 has got me thinking about all the other great old games that simply don't work on new computers. I'm kinda interested to see what other SC2 fans played back in the day. What are some other great games you guys used to love playing?

Some of my old favs --

X-Com - The first three X-Com games, UFO Defense, Terror from the Deep, and Apocalypse, were fantastic games. You had to shoot down UFOs, then send troops in to investigate in turn-based tactical combat. You'd start out at a major disadvantage to the aliens, like in X-Com 1 your troops would start with conventional guns while the aliens had plasma weapons, but then through capturing downed UFOs you could research their technology and use it against them.

Quest for Glory - A series of point and click adventures games similar to King's Quest or Monkey Island. The only difference was that you could pick a class at the start of the game, fighter, thief, or magic-user, and the solutions to the games puzzles would be different depending on your class. There was also combat, and your fighting skills, magic abilities, thieving skills, etc. would get better through using them. One of the coolest parts was the ability to import your character from one game to the next.

Emperor of the Fading Suns - EoFS is basically Civilization on multiple planets. You control one of five noble houses that are fighting over the galaxy, you start on one planet and have to conquer the rest. You also have to deal with a greedy merchant league, a not-so-nice church complete with inquisitors, and two different races of alien invaders.

Ultima VII - Ultima is one of the better RPG series' out there, but Ultima VII was amazing. You could do a ton of stuff... you could even get a job baking bread if you want. Fantastic game.


So what other great games am I not remembering?
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2002, 10:03:53 pm »

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Quest for Glory - A series of point and click adventures games similar to King's Quest or Monkey Island.

Actually the first two Quest for Glory games used a text parser interface along with arrow key controls for movement.  There was a remake of the first one into a pure mouse-clickable interface (along with King's Quest1, Space Quest1, and Leisure Suit Larry1) although according to Sierra, these remakes proved to be highly unpopular (though I liked them since I don't enjoy all the typing and "guess the right word" involved in those games).

Overall, you have some good choices and one I never heard of (Emperor of the Fading Suns).  I wish I had some, but nothing comes to mind right now.  My tastes tend to be more adventure/RPG style.  Star Control was one of those rare exceptions where I enjoyed the action aspect of it as well.

I didn't get to play X-Com until it was considered old.  At first, I found it really annoying and hard to play, but after a while, I learned how to fight better (smarter) and I got addicted.

Unfortunately, I could never get past a certain part of the game because it always crashes.  It was never meant for running in the Windows environment and I just can't be bothered trying to get it to work in a pure DOS mode.  Too bad since the point at which it crashed tends to be when I am doing really well and starting to dominate alien encounters with minimal loss of human life.

I'm curious what other games people will suggest.

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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2002, 12:17:20 am »

Snatcher. This is a cyberpunk adventure game on SEGA CD created by famous Hideo Kojima, a man whose name stands for Metal Gear Solid series. I consider it one of the best games I ever had a chance to play (maybe even the best). BTW, the game is considered abandonware now and can be downloaded legally from the-underdogs: http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?name=Snatcher
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2002, 12:22:56 am »

One of my older ABSOLUTE FAVORITES :  Ascendancy.

Subtitled 'Ascendancy : The Game of Galactic Conquest', you got a range of scope that some games today don't offer.  You start out on a single planet, and build that up.  Once you've built that planet up to have a competent industry sector (which you have to do without making it uninhabitable or neglecting your scientific community) and you have researched to the appropriate level, you can expand outwards to other planets in your solar system and eventually beyond.  There can be anywhere from twenty to what looks like hundreds of solar systems per game.  You have full control of the contents of your ships, of course, as you research new and exciting improvements.  At some point, you will encounter other alien races and must engage in diplomatic relations with them - They may be worshippers of a demon-god or followers of the Path of Peace & Light.  You can totally wipe them out of the stars, if they anger you and don't get you first ;-)

But one of the big things that made this interesting to me was that you can win in multiple ways - If you're a warmonger you can just kill everyone else in the galaxy, if you're expansionistic you can take over more than 2/3 of the systems, and if you want to talk a lot ( Roll Eyes), you can ally with everyone to win.
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2002, 12:26:17 am »

Doom and Wolfenstein 3D.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2002, 02:08:24 am »

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Actually the first two Quest for Glory games used a text parser interface along with arrow key controls for movement.  There was a remake of the first one into a pure mouse-clickable interface (along with King's Quest1, Space Quest1, and Leisure Suit Larry1) although according to Sierra, these remakes proved to be highly unpopular (though I liked them since I don't enjoy all the typing and "guess the right word" involved in those games).


I haven't played the remakes of any of the other games, but I actually prefer the original typing QFG 1 to the remake. The remake just didn't have the same feel.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2002, 11:12:55 am »

I know Scott.  It seems that most people do.  A text parser allows for a wider range of possibilities which has its advantages and disadvantages over a pure GUI/mouse clickable interface.  I guess my biggest trouble with it is that I have never been a very good typist, which I admit is a very lame excuse.  I have played through all five Quest for Glory games, taking one character through it all at least twice and I've done this using the remake of QFG1 and then the original.  Although there are some fun extra things you can type into the parser version, I found the mouse-clickable version easier to play through, even once I knew all the secrets to finishing the game.  From what I understand, QFG2 is supposed to be the favorite of all among fans because of the depth of the story and the many different paths you can take.  I found it to be really hard to play and in many ways annoying.  I was shocked to find that people preferred it since it was the one I seemed to dread playing the most.  With time, I've come to enjoy the game, but I cannot forget the difficulty it always gave me.

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2002, 05:15:26 pm »

* Master of Orion
* Space Hulk
* Panzer General
* Dune 2 (mother of all rts)
* Wing Commander 1

... There are too many to mention ...
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2002, 06:24:48 pm »

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* Dune 2 (mother of all rts)


Dune 1 wasn't a half bad game either, even though it's not anything like Dune 2.

While we're on the subject, does any suggestions on how to get old games like this to work on Windows 2000? I'm dying to play X-Com again, but none of them will run, not even Apocalypse, which ran in Win95.
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2002, 10:27:32 pm »

This was discussed in other threads, but I'll post it here as well.  

DOSBox.  It rocks.
http://dosbox.zophar.net

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2002, 10:46:44 pm »

Emperor of the Fading Suns really wanted to be Dune, but it wasn't.

Some great classics for me that haven't been mentioned yet are Syndicate, Alone in the Dark, Warcraft, Excelsior Phase One: Lysandia, Star Goose, Battlechess, and Karateka.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2002, 12:04:49 am »

Battlechess?  Pffft.  Archon.  And Archon Ultra.  You can get Archon Ultra on the underdogs site already listed, I believe.  I think you know someone who was involved in that game... just perhaps... check the credits (for both).

There's a fun mod for Quake 3 that takes Archon into 3D.

http://www.planetquake.com/brazen/arq/

The coder kinda disappeared before finishing it but it is EXTREMELY playable.  Works fine for multiplayer, too.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2002, 01:58:52 am »

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This was discussed in other threads, but I'll post it here as well.  

DOSBox.  It rocks.
http://dosbox.zophar.net



I seem to be retarded and can't figure out how to make DOSBox work.
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2002, 09:24:40 am »

If I may toss a hat in the ring, I'd like to include Rise of the Triad in this list.

I would also like to thank everyone involved in this project for their efforts to bring this most excellent game back to those of us who have lost contact.  I have the SC collection, but I also have Windoze XP.  I have tried all the suggestions to play it, but it is no good, so I bow gratefully to Mr Ford and Mr. Rieche.
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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2002, 10:08:33 am »

Star Control 2 Wink
X-Com
Ascendancy
Dune 2
Civilisation
Colonisation
X-Wing
Eye of the Beholder 2
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