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Re: Pluto is no longer a planet! Poor Fwiffo!
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2006, 06:45:03 pm »

I was about to make a post about this....  Smiley

Anyways, it's not really that fatal that Pluto is no longer a planet.  It's just that now every video game, book, television show, and movie set in the future are now incorrect.

Which makes me wonder... Will they include this little fact in the new Star Control game?

And those three new planets that have been discovered, maybe that will make some interesting new adventures if this was also added to the new Star Control.

But about Pluto, it's just another interesting fact to think of when you're thinking about space...

And yea, poor Fwiffo.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2006, 07:34:20 pm »

XR-something> No. I didn't necessarily cut out Mercury, I said 'potentially'. To clarify:

It's a planet if:

A.) The body has a significant atmosphere.
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B.) The body is massive enough to potentially have a significant atmosphere, but does not have one.

(and it's not a black hole, sun, artificial object or moon, etc.)

(Note that the 'or' will allow for bodies not massive enough to have an atmosphere but still has one because of some freaky setup.)


I have no idea where to put the threshold for atmosphere. Maybe a bit under Mars. Mercury might not qualify as a planet with my definition. When I think of planets I think rather large things that Star Trek away teams land on, not rocks. Mercury is a rock. Mercury is boring.
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Re: Pluto is no longer a planet! Poor Fwiffo!
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2006, 08:07:21 pm »


(Note that the 'or' will allow for bodies not massive enough to have an atmosphere but still has one because of some freaky setup.)

Well in that case 2003 UB313 (Xena) is thought to have an atmosphere.

“We think that the bright surface and uniform white coloring of the planet both have the same cause. Right now the planet is as far away from the sun as it ever gets, and thus as cold as it ever gets. At this distance from the sun even the planet's atmosphere is frozen solid. (In fact if the earth were brought that far away from the sun its atmosphere would freeze solid, too!). In 280 years the planet will be the closest it ever gets -- a factor of almost 2.6 times closer. The absolute temperature on the planet will rise over the next 280 years by a factor of  1.6 (which is the square root of 2.6). The current temperature of (a quite cold) 405 degrees below zero will be but a distant memory at this point when the temperatures will be a balmy 360 degrees below zero. While both of these temperatures seem frigid beyond imagination, to methane and nitrogen (the likely components of the atmosphere of the planet), the difference between the two is the difference between frozen solid and evaporating into the atmosphere.”

This was taken from this site http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/


I have no idea where to put the threshold for atmosphere. Maybe a bit under Mars. Mercury might not qualify as a planet with my definition. When I think of planets I think rather large things that Star Trek away teams land on, not rocks. Mercury is a rock. Mercury is boring.

Mercury may be boring but its still a good place to get radioactives
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Re: Pluto is no longer a planet! Poor Fwiffo!
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2006, 03:53:37 pm »

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That is the only reason this happened. If Pluto didn't have a lot of friends around, it'd be fine. But at the rate they're finding them, we'd expect to find around 100 pluto-scale objects out in the kuiper belt. . .Got it?

Yes, I do. Scientists are afraid they would have to think of more names for planets so they changed the definition of "planet" to an illogical one so that pluto, its neighbors, and everything else discovered henceforth would be excluded from it.


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Anyways, it's not really that fatal that Pluto is no longer a planet.  It's just that now every video game, book, television show, and movie set in the future are now incorrect.

Except for Starflight, which had only the first 8 planets orbiting Sol.
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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2006, 02:50:04 am »

Fwiffo still has something to park his ship on, Pluto just isn't called a planet anymore.  Perhaps it should be called a Kuiper Belt Object, since that makes the most sense based on what we currently know, same for 2003 UB 313 (Xena).  Had Pluto been discovered today, based on current knowledge we wouldn't have classified it as a planet.
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Re: Pluto is no longer a planet! Poor Fwiffo!
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2006, 07:01:26 pm »

Not only that, but Fwiffo's hiding place is better since it is less popularly known-of!
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Re: Pluto is no longer a planet! Poor Fwiffo!
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2006, 07:31:19 am »

Pluto is a planet. It's a dwarf planet. It's just not a main planet like the jovian and terrestial planets. It's not one of THE planets anymore.
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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2006, 06:16:40 am »

One thing's for sure, I'm glad that the New Horizons spacecraft has been launched before the demotion, but I do think that the demotion was the correct decision.
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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2006, 04:05:14 pm »

What, you don't seriously think New Horizons would have been cancelled just because they demoted Pluto, surely? It would be the first mission to a Kuiper Belt Object, which is even more presigious!
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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2006, 06:13:00 pm »

What, you don't seriously think New Horizons would have been cancelled just because they demoted Pluto, surely? It would be the first mission to a Kuiper Belt Object, which is even more presigious!

When will that get to pluto?
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Re: Pluto is no longer a planet! Poor Fwiffo!
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2006, 04:54:34 pm »

Beats me... google... launched January 19, 2005...  arrival July 2015.

It'll fly by Jupiter to get a gravity assist next year.
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Re: Pluto is no longer a planet! Poor Fwiffo!
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2006, 02:40:05 am »

Do you guys realize we are finding many new planets in the kupier belt? Quoar, Xena(2003 UB 313 ) and her moon Gabrielle,Sedna, Quoar etc. etc. They expect to possibly even find mars size planets out there. The planet definitionary waters will be muddied further in years ahead.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/planet_like_body.html

I may be the minority, but I don't have a problem with the International Astronomical Union 's planetary definitions.
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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2006, 07:23:00 am »

Another Mars sized planet woudl indeed be interesting. Pity they are so far out from the sun though.
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Re: Pluto is no longer a planet! Poor Fwiffo!
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2006, 08:23:57 am »

It means cities will be entirely self-contained and a significant portion of the colony power/resource output will be dedicated to life-support. It could be done, although the only purpose would be scientific research. Unless an industrial colony is dropped onto a VERY rich mineral deposit... it would be far more practical to strip-mine the asteroids. Easier too.
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Re: Pluto is no longer a planet! Poor Fwiffo!
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2006, 12:04:29 am »

Well we should know much more about Pluto, Charon and other kupier belt objects if the New Horizons, Pluto-Kuiper Belt mission is successful. Hopefully that will finally settle the case.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/newhorizons/main/

I'm looking forward to 2015!
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