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Re: I surprised myself in Super Melee when I...
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2006, 04:39:30 pm »

VUX (limpets bypass the shield)

Juggers can also be beaten by sending off single shots of very low damage weapons.

Good for defeating them:
Mmrnmhrm
Supox
Thraddash (this will take a while)

It is hard to send off a single shot of the Spathi main gun, but if you can, that works too.
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Re: I surprised myself in Super Melee when I...
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2006, 10:48:43 pm »

When I mowed down my friend's 200-somthing point fleet with a handful of Pkunk ships. Of course, I got really lucky and respawned a bunch of times, but still!
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Re: I surprised myself in Super Melee when I...
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2006, 12:58:25 am »


YouSendIt shows this as file not found... can someone who has this upload it somewhere like putfile.com?
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2006, 05:56:29 am »

YouSendIt deletes a file either after 7 days from when it was uploaded or 25 times downloaded, which ever comes first.  I can upload it again.

Edit: Here it is.

http://download.yousendit.com/85C3D20069CE8A83
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Re: I surprised myself in Super Melee when I...
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2006, 03:43:05 pm »

worked my way through a 250pt armada with a furies that just didn't want to stay dead at all. luck.
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Re: I surprised myself in Super Melee when I...
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2006, 05:00:17 am »

I surprised my self in melee when I died horribly my never-played-before friends Orz Nemesis's against my Utwig Juggers... that's gotta be the only ship the Juggers aren't good at.

Actually as long as you got the skills and (sometimes) luck, any ship is usually defeatable by another.  Let's just say I got inspired...

http://download.yousendit.com/4C1D940C4262F9AE

File is UTWIG Videos.zip, it's 14010KB. (remember 7 days, 25 downloads)
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This is to demonstrate, and basically expose the Utwig ship and its deficiencies.

The only ones aren't present are the Druuge, Earthling, Ilwrath, and Umgah.

Some are harder than others of course and depend on skill and sometimes a lot of luck to win.  Or you could chalk up some of them to the Awesome Cyborg AI and its deficiencies, but anyway, I would think these videos expose a lot of the Utwig and its weaknesses.

  833,716 androsynth_guardian_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  834,220 arilou_skiff_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  195,436 chenjesu_broodhome_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
1,329,988 chmmr_avatar_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  939,448 kohrah_marauder_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  297,466 melnorme_trader_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  793,420 mmrnmhrm_xform_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  175,852 mycon_podship_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  235,888 orz_nemesis_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
1,938,348 pkunk_fury_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
1,665,766 shofixti_scout_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
1,010,172 slylandro_probe_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  879,418 spathi_eluder_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  474,872 supox_blade_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
1,289,096 syreen_penetrator_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  538,430 thraddash_torch_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  262,104 urquan_dreadnought_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  687,110 utwig_jugger_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  938,646 vux_intruder_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  188,986 yehat_terminator_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  239,908 zoqfotpik_stinger_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi

        21 file(s)     15,748,290 bytes

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Yep and an Utwig is pretty much dogfood against an Orz that sends his marines properly.
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Re: I surprised myself in Super Melee when I...
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2006, 06:39:57 pm »

My favourite ship for fighting the Utwig is the Spathi Eluder. Stay just out of
range of the Utwig's gun and drop one BUTT at a time. He runs out of
shield energy after a bunchof near misses.
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Re: I surprised myself in Super Melee when I...
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2006, 09:01:16 am »

I found that the Androsynth's bubbles are good at depleting the Jugger's Shield.

My best "How did I do that?" moment is when I took down a Ur-Quan Dreadnaught with a Pkunk... and 2 resurrects.
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Re: I surprised myself in Super Melee when I...
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2006, 07:10:08 pm »

Never succeeded w/ this against a human opponent, but defeating a Guardian with a Nemesis is pretty tough. Even against the comp, you're going to get ripped to pieces most of the time.
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Re: I surprised myself in Super Melee when I...
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2006, 06:07:36 pm »

If you know where the planet is, you can whip faster than they can blaze. If you fear their ability to get in front of you, then keep orbiting. When they come close, shoot them and whip away, along a cardinal direction so you get back to the planet quickly. If they're building up their battery, launch one marine to force them to deplete.
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Re: I surprised myself in Super Melee when I...
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2006, 11:25:50 pm »

To Captain Smith (aka Utwigslayer) -

Nice job with the Chmrr! Shocked  I did not think that was possible.

Why did the Utwig not use its shield vs the Kohr-ah and Yehat?  The Kohr-ah in particular I have always thought of as Utwig food.

(And the Mycon battle was a bad case of AI stupidity - very nicely exploited though)

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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2006, 05:25:39 am »

Nice job with the Chmrr! Shocked  I did not think that was possible.

I call it an AI quirk, really.  It just takes into account that the Utwig always shields when you're close to it, and the bad propulsion.

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Why did the Utwig not use its shield vs the Kohr-ah and Yehat?  The Kohr-ah in particular I have always thought of as Utwig food.

it depends, sometimes they will.  Generally if you look at what I was doing, it's trying to set up a measure of unpredictability by using the propulsion of the Utwig to advantage.  The AI's weakness is that it won't shield on shots sent to the very edges of the ship, and a human weakness would be to shield too much (especially with what I did with the KohrAh ship, but any ship you can be unpredictable with).

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(And the Mycon battle was a bad case of AI stupidity - very nicely exploited though)

Agreed though it's possible to do that to a human too that might shield too much out of fear of getting hit.
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